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Old 07-21-2010 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81

An easy indication that it will make a significant difference is the fact that the airlines are putting up a HUGE stink about this. If there wasn't going to be a difference, management would just stay at the golf course and not waste their time and money lobbying.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 03:50 PM
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This may serve to keep pilots IN the military. How many TACAIR guys have 1500 hours at the end of their commitment? That's why the airlines in the past have multiplied TACAIR time by a factor of 1.2 when hiring. If the law is a hard 1500 then there are military pilots who won't qualify. And if they have to stay beyond their initial commitment then they might as well do 20 and THEN go to the airlines.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedinight
After 2012 when pilots in the Legacy carriers start retiring in masses the regional’s will have massive attrition and this time the Pilot factories will need more time to build qualified pilots.

In the past when pilots were needed flight schools would ramp up operation and get pilots ready in 6 to 8 months. Now you will need them to become flight instructors for more than a year after they get their commercial.
There are lots of high time former airline and corporate guys outside of aviation right now. I know guys doing everything from real estate to custodians. I currently drive trucks and heavy equipment with 11000TT. All they would have to do is pay a living wage and they would have all the regional pilots you could shake a stick at. NO true pilot shortage will ever exist.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 04:56 PM
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Its a step toward something...but what will these commissions blame in the next one before addressing the fatigue issue?
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Old 07-21-2010 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Outlaw2097
Its a step toward something...but what will these commissions blame in the next one before addressing the fatigue issue?
The pilots.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
This may serve to keep pilots IN the military. How many TACAIR guys have 1500 hours at the end of their commitment? That's why the airlines in the past have multiplied TACAIR time by a factor of 1.2 when hiring. If the law is a hard 1500 then there are military pilots who won't qualify. And if they have to stay beyond their initial commitment then they might as well do 20 and THEN go to the airlines.
I hear your concerns. I don't know what the average is for the pointed nose types, but I can't imagine that 1500 would be a struggle. Perhaps it will.

Regardless, I thought there was a military provision in the language? I could be wrong.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
. We don't want an industry full of people who paid 70k to go from zero to hero and get into the right seat of a jet. If you want to be a pilot you wont be able to buy the job anymore. You will have to buy your ratings and then get a job flying.
Very true. I wonder, does the maritime industry work like this?! Can I (assuming I have boatloads of money) pay my way into a first mate or Capt position on a passenger carrying vessel with no real experience? I don't think this is the case. Why do we have such loopholes in aviation? How about a Gross weight tier system for airplanes?
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Old 07-21-2010 | 05:35 PM
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We need barriers of entry to this profession. This is a good thing and most other professional careers have them. You shouldn't be able to spend 6 months and buy your way into an airline pilot job. Once we get some real barriers to entry, hopefully regionals will cease to be cost effective, scope will go back to majors, and this career will start to regain some of what it once was.

This is something we absolutely need.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CommutR4Life
Very true. I wonder, does the maritime industry work like this?! Can I (assuming I have boatloads of money) pay my way into a first mate or Capt position on a passenger carrying vessel with no real experience? I don't think this is the case. Why do we have such loopholes in aviation? How about a Gross weight tier system for airplanes?
Can you explain this?
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Old 07-21-2010 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
We need barriers of entry to this profession. This is a good thing and most other professional careers have them. You shouldn't be able to spend 6 months and buy your way into an airline pilot job. Once we get some real barriers to entry, hopefully regionals will cease to be cost effective, scope will go back to majors, and this career will start to regain some of what it once was.

This is something we absolutely need.

This is exactly right. Despite that the CA had more than 1500 hours and so did the FO, I know for a fact the CA did a "zero to hero" program. He might not have even been in the industry if 1500 was required to get on with a regional.

I want people in the industry that are willing to do the time and effort to get the hours required to get hired. Not pay for them...
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