Spirit TA ratified
07-24-2010 | 07:47 AM
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There you go again quoting pay rates in FIVE years, how bout dealing with the current reality?
Spirit 10 year Captain-----$137/hour
World 10 year Captain----$158/hour
so that's 21 bucks more per hour than Spirit. and they got teamsters, maybe we should switch to them. wow, World even gets 2.40 hour per diem...that's 40 cents better than sprite....
Your math is fuzzy......
Spirit 10 year Captain-----$137/hour
World 10 year Captain----$158/hour
so that's 21 bucks more per hour than Spirit. and they got teamsters, maybe we should switch to them. wow, World even gets 2.40 hour per diem...that's 40 cents better than sprite....
Your math is fuzzy......
You do realize that those guys at World are flying MD-11s and 747-400s, right? A little bit different than an Airbus crammed with leisure class seats. And then of course there's the fact that World only gets a 65 hour guarantee. As for per diem, their flying is 90% international. That per diem rate for international is less than stellar.
07-24-2010 | 08:04 AM
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This is easily the dumbest comparison of contracts that I've ever seen on an internet forum, and that's really saying a lot.
You do realize that those guys at World are flying MD-11s and 747-400s, right? A little bit different than an Airbus crammed with leisure class seats. And then of course there's the fact that World only gets a 65 hour guarantee. As for per diem, their flying is 90% international. That per diem rate for international is less than stellar.
You do realize that those guys at World are flying MD-11s and 747-400s, right? A little bit different than an Airbus crammed with leisure class seats. And then of course there's the fact that World only gets a 65 hour guarantee. As for per diem, their flying is 90% international. That per diem rate for international is less than stellar.
Yes, and your buddy made it. You should quote him...
07-24-2010 | 09:13 AM
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I'm most concerned is the "signing bonus". It appears that more and more, retro pay has now slipped by the wayside as an important issue. Companies are buying us off with a fairly insignificant sum and being let off the hook on the retro side. With retro gone, so is the incentive to negotiate swiftly. Dragging the process out three, four, five years just keeps looking better and better if they are going to only have to drop $3,000 per captain rather than the $30,000+ in retro pay they would owe. Hmmm.... I think I'll go call my reps.
THANK YOU MR. 767 PILOT. FINALLY SOME SENSE HERE!!! THE SIGNING BONUS WE GOT WAS OFFENSIVE TO SAY THE LEAST. I VOTED NOOOOOO....
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07-24-2010 | 09:48 AM
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Depending on the amounts, I like a "signing bonus" system over a straight "retro pay" based on pay/credit.
Given the SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DIVIDE AMONG THE PILOTS:
With a signing bonus system you get a pro rata share of of the money and all FO's/CA's are rewarded evenly.
In a "retro pay" system, guys who were more willing to "help the company" and spend less time with their families and hobbies are REWARDED for helping prolong negotiations.
I'll take the signing bonus any day, b/c I don't do the company favors during negotiations. YMMV.
07-24-2010 | 10:33 AM
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From: 319/320/321...whatever it takes.
Hey Palmtree Pilot,
I'm not here to flame, but I talked to a world guy a while ago and don't remember much about your work rules. Is it true that world gives your one day off in seven wherever you happen to be in the world at the time? How many days off are you guaranteed? What are your favorite parts of your contract? I'd like to compare. Again, not flaming, just tring to learn.
I'm not here to flame, but I talked to a world guy a while ago and don't remember much about your work rules. Is it true that world gives your one day off in seven wherever you happen to be in the world at the time? How many days off are you guaranteed? What are your favorite parts of your contract? I'd like to compare. Again, not flaming, just tring to learn.
07-24-2010 | 06:00 PM
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You're the one that is acting like Patty. The "don't like it, go somewhere else" line is classic management speach. I suspect you're pretty new around here, I hope you learn to respect the pilots that has been here for awhile and is working hard to make this an airline worth working for.
If you don't like the attitude, maybe you should go back to your previous job (flight instructor?)
07-24-2010 | 06:51 PM
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Sorry, Sailor.
You're the one that is acting like Patty. The "don't like it, go somewhere else" line is classic management speach. I suspect you're pretty new around here, I hope you learn to respect the pilots that has been here for awhile and is working hard to make this an airline worth working for.
If you don't like the attitude, maybe you should go back to your previous job (flight instructor?)
You're the one that is acting like Patty. The "don't like it, go somewhere else" line is classic management speach. I suspect you're pretty new around here, I hope you learn to respect the pilots that has been here for awhile and is working hard to make this an airline worth working for.
If you don't like the attitude, maybe you should go back to your previous job (flight instructor?)
Sorry Balder, no mngt here, 12 yrs only line flying and go back to FI. I dont see your point. But you are are showing plenty of respect.
Sorry if my comment offended you, but this gent cant stop bashing hard working union members and NC members from his OWN AIRLINE, maybe he's just not happy here.
Cheers.
07-24-2010 | 07:37 PM
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Sorry Balder, no mngt here, 12 yrs only line flying and go back to FI. I dont see your point. But you are are showing plenty of respect.
Sorry if my comment offended you, but this gent cant stop bashing hard working union members and NC members from his OWN AIRLINE, maybe he's just not happy here.
Cheers.
Sorry if my comment offended you, but this gent cant stop bashing hard working union members and NC members from his OWN AIRLINE, maybe he's just not happy here.
Cheers.
Reality is that our TA is just one small step in the right direction. The reason why this contract ratified to 74% might be because most of us realize we can't get all the way in one contract. I'm pretty sure a lot of yes-voters are actually dissappointed and would have liked a larger step considering the powerful leverage our strike action gave us.
It is inappropriate to brag about a great accomplishment. We got a long ways to go.
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