SWA into EWR
09-07-2010, 05:03 AM
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I know that Delta and Northwest were good, safe carriers with professional pilots. SWA pilots did not start the thread creep on FAA violations, government influence, and the Delta Conspiracy Theory. Someone insisted that we make this thread about Delta/NW, so here we are.
It is easy to cherry-pick articles and claim that your company is being screwed by the government. I'd say that my "Northwest Conspiracy Theory" is at least as well documented and convincing as the "Delta Conspiracy Theory."
It is easy to cherry-pick articles and claim that your company is being screwed by the government. I'd say that my "Northwest Conspiracy Theory" is at least as well documented and convincing as the "Delta Conspiracy Theory."
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09-07-2010, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
Wow. Just...wow. If you don't even know what's going on at your own carrier...pontificate about somebody else.
I'm the one that brought up the fact that NWA and others were regularly fined by the FAA. What I didn't know was that the word "coziness" was used in regard to the relationship between the FAA and NWA. When that was posted by another thread member, I said it was a good find. Turns out there was indeed documents using the word "coziness" regarding a firm other than SWA.
While that is an interesting footnote, this thread is not about NWA or DAL or anybody else. It's about UAL and CAL merging, and the government requiring a divestiture of slots to SWA. I know you keep wanting to change the subject and make it about others. But my rhetorical questions still stand. I say rhetorical because you couldn't possibly answer them. Those questions are:
1. How does SWA do it? SWA has nothing to do with the UAL/CAL merger, yet the government delivers slots to SWA from the deal. How do they do that?
2. Could it be the coziness with FAA and SWA continues with regard to delivering slots to SWA? While other airlines are accused of FAA coziness, those airlines don't get slots or shields from fines for their coziness. SWA gets slots and a shield from fines until just very recently. Is this just coincidence? Don't know.
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09-07-2010, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
....And what better way to cover up the Northwest mess than to create a diversion?
Carl
09-07-2010, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
SWA pilots did not start the thread creep on FAA violations, government influence, and the Delta Conspiracy Theory. Someone insisted that we make this thread about Delta/NW, so here we are.
I know you don't want government influence talked about, but it is front and center with regard to how SWA pulled off obtaining slots from the mergers of 2 companies to which it had no role or ownership stake. All the other stuff is from your ilk trying to change the subject of SWA getting slots into EWR.
By the way, what's up with that creepy avatar?
Carl
09-08-2010, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No, the bankruptcy laws protect a company's assets - not lobbying or lawyers.
But in all seriousness, here's the problem: FAA took the step of blocking the DAL/LCC slot swap in part due to the two companies not wanting any divestitures to go to SWA. Why would the FAA do that? As FTB has stated in his previous post, we see the kind of "relationship" that has evolved between the FAA and SWA:
But in all seriousness, here's the problem: FAA took the step of blocking the DAL/LCC slot swap in part due to the two companies not wanting any divestitures to go to SWA. Why would the FAA do that? As FTB has stated in his previous post, we see the kind of "relationship" that has evolved between the FAA and SWA:
Carl,
BK rules and laws protecting assets that should have been sold to pay creditors? I see, it it is okay to do that and then when you want to swap slots to create a monopoly at given airports or pick those who you will compete with that is also okay? As a former stock holder of DAL I would certainly like to get my value that was lost back after BK. As a frequent flyer with DAL, it was not pleasant to see the award miles increased to a level which also decreased my value and "investment" after BK. As an employee of a competing airline I certainly don't trust DAL/NWA to do anything ethical if they can get away with holding on to valuable slots through BK and a merger. Do I fault them for the BK laws --- No. I will certainly not trust them to do the right thing especially when they wish to hand slots to "anyone but" SWA.
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09-09-2010, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
Carl,
BK rules and laws protecting assets that should have been sold to pay creditors?
BK rules and laws protecting assets that should have been sold to pay creditors?
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
I see, it it is okay to do that and then when you want to swap slots to create a monopoly at given airports or pick those who you will compete with that is also okay?
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
...it was not pleasant to see the award miles increased to a level which also decreased my value and "investment" after BK.
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
As an employee of a competing airline I certainly don't trust DAL/NWA to do anything ethical if they can get away with holding on to valuable slots through BK and a merger. Do I fault them for the BK laws --- No. I will certainly not trust them to do the right thing especially when they wish to hand slots to "anyone but" SWA.
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