Retirement at age 70
09-04-2010, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JUG47
You must have the perfect life. What's the secret cowboy?
There is a few drivers out there who retired before 60 to save what was left of their retirement packages.
Selfish, I think not.
Regardless, retirement would have been increased at some stage due to advances in medical technology.
That's just my ********* talking. *********s are just like opinions, everybody has one.
There is a few drivers out there who retired before 60 to save what was left of their retirement packages.
Selfish, I think not.
Regardless, retirement would have been increased at some stage due to advances in medical technology.
That's just my ********* talking. *********s are just like opinions, everybody has one.
09-04-2010, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by beeker
I think you have that saying wrong. opinions are like a holes, everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. Are you going to have shoot out at the K.O. corral next. Maybe its going to be raining dogs and cats.
09-04-2010, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JUG47
You must have the perfect life. What's the secret cowboy?
There is a few drivers out there who retired before 60 to save what was left of their retirement packages.
Selfish, I think not.
Regardless, retirement would have been increased at some stage due to advances in medical technology. That's just my ********* talking. *********s are just like opinions, everybody has one.
As far as feeding off the payroll as you put it, it's ironic, pilots ***** about being underpaid in this day and age, but apparently having experience at the top of the ladder is not only unwanted, it is seen as feeding off the system instead working for a living. I'm sure that sitting next to you is a delight.
You wanted a steady career, should've joined the UAW.
There is a few drivers out there who retired before 60 to save what was left of their retirement packages.
Selfish, I think not.
Regardless, retirement would have been increased at some stage due to advances in medical technology. That's just my ********* talking. *********s are just like opinions, everybody has one.
As far as feeding off the payroll as you put it, it's ironic, pilots ***** about being underpaid in this day and age, but apparently having experience at the top of the ladder is not only unwanted, it is seen as feeding off the system instead working for a living. I'm sure that sitting next to you is a delight.
You wanted a steady career, should've joined the UAW.
As far as raising the retirement age due to med advances, I don't really give a rats rear end whether someone can hold a 1st class med past 60 or not. You want to keep flying, go get a charter gig. Point is THEY benefited off of those that were required to retire at 60, and know they are benefiting from NOT having to retire at 60. Many of those people have full pensions, yet still hang out in the highest paying WB seats (AA 777 CA, NWA 744 CA, etc) PREVENTING those junior to them from getting a shot at those earnings before they turn 60. THAT is SELFISH.
BTW, a career with UAW is about as steady as being an Airline Pilot. Just take a survey in DTW.
09-04-2010, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
The secret is not a secret at all. It's common knowledge. Live well with in your means, so you have plenty of savings. It's called financial responsibility, and if more people in this country would have it then we wouldn't have gotten in our last recession to begin with. Don't buy a house you really can't afford.
As far as raising the retirement age due to med advances, I don't really give a rats rear end whether someone can hold a 1st class med past 60 or not. You want to keep flying, go get a charter gig. Point is THEY benefited off of those that were required to retire at 60, and know they are benefiting from NOT having to retire at 60. Many of those people have full pensions, yet still hang out in the highest paying WB seats (AA 777 CA, NWA 744 CA, etc) PREVENTING those junior to them from getting a shot at those earnings before they turn 60. THAT is SELFISH.
BTW, a career with UAW is about as steady as being an Airline Pilot. Just take a survey in DTW.
As far as raising the retirement age due to med advances, I don't really give a rats rear end whether someone can hold a 1st class med past 60 or not. You want to keep flying, go get a charter gig. Point is THEY benefited off of those that were required to retire at 60, and know they are benefiting from NOT having to retire at 60. Many of those people have full pensions, yet still hang out in the highest paying WB seats (AA 777 CA, NWA 744 CA, etc) PREVENTING those junior to them from getting a shot at those earnings before they turn 60. THAT is SELFISH.
BTW, a career with UAW is about as steady as being an Airline Pilot. Just take a survey in DTW.
Carl
09-04-2010, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
The secret is not a secret at all. It's common knowledge. Live well with in your means, so you have plenty of savings. It's called financial responsibility, and if more people in this country would have it then we wouldn't have gotten in our last recession to begin with. Don't buy a house you really can't afford.
As far as raising the retirement age due to med advances, I don't really give a rats rear end whether someone can hold a 1st class med past 60 or not. You want to keep flying, go get a charter gig. Point is THEY benefited off of those that were required to retire at 60, and know they are benefiting from NOT having to retire at 60. Many of those people have full pensions, yet still hang out in the highest paying WB seats (AA 777 CA, NWA 744 CA, etc) PREVENTING those junior to them from getting a shot at those earnings before they turn 60. THAT is SELFISH.
BTW, a career with UAW is about as steady as being an Airline Pilot. Just take a survey in DTW.
As far as raising the retirement age due to med advances, I don't really give a rats rear end whether someone can hold a 1st class med past 60 or not. You want to keep flying, go get a charter gig. Point is THEY benefited off of those that were required to retire at 60, and know they are benefiting from NOT having to retire at 60. Many of those people have full pensions, yet still hang out in the highest paying WB seats (AA 777 CA, NWA 744 CA, etc) PREVENTING those junior to them from getting a shot at those earnings before they turn 60. THAT is SELFISH.
BTW, a career with UAW is about as steady as being an Airline Pilot. Just take a survey in DTW.
09-04-2010, 07:06 PM
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I think you should raise it to 70. In 20 years. That'll give you nearly 20 years of data to prove 65 was safe.
But J29 is spot on. Its the same as FA's who didn't mind when older FA's were forced to retire but once they were they complained and now some are so old they serve only as token FA's with another required to actually do their job for them.
BUT, my understanding with the age 65 was that ICAO was 65 and it created a problem when 60+ pilots flew into the US. Is that true? If it is true, then unless ICAO does it I don't see how we can do it because you'd limit 65+ pilots to domestic flying only... and that'll surely kill them.
But J29 is spot on. Its the same as FA's who didn't mind when older FA's were forced to retire but once they were they complained and now some are so old they serve only as token FA's with another required to actually do their job for them.
BUT, my understanding with the age 65 was that ICAO was 65 and it created a problem when 60+ pilots flew into the US. Is that true? If it is true, then unless ICAO does it I don't see how we can do it because you'd limit 65+ pilots to domestic flying only... and that'll surely kill them.
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