Retirement at age 70
03-19-2019, 05:46 AM
#341
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
BS- it should be raised if you can hold a medical. 65 is arbitrary just as was 60.
There is allot of scientific studies going on about cognitive skills as you age. Naturally reflexes diminish as expected. Sure, the experience is there as well as the judgment, but cognitive function is an issue.
Your local FAA designated medical examiner is likely not a cognitive specialist. So, no real way for older pilots to really be subjectively examined, and if so, that cognitive test would have to apply to everyone, not just those over 60, or 65, or xx.
I have flown with way too many over 60 pilots who just couldn't stay awake, or alert, or who just weren't able to handle those 16 hour flights to Asia. Positive rate, gear up, nap time....
Not being mean, or being funny. But it is what it is. As you get older your ability to be alert and engaged is simply harder to do.
Passing a medical check is easy. It's not about "passing a medical check, or holding a medical." it's about doing it right, and being at the top of your game, and being fair to those you share the flight deck with. The rest of the flight deck doesn't want to, nor deserve to change grandpa's diapers and cover for him just because pops wants to prolong and lengthen his career so that he can keep earning top money.
Everyone's retirement planner likely reminded them there is a mandatory retirement age. If you are in doubt as to what the retirement age is, and what it will stay at then have another visit with your financial planner, get your house in order, and plan to exit the career as gracefully as you entered it.
Cognitive function declines as we get older. It's just a part of aging. Same goes for alertness and stamina. The more senior you are, the more likely you will be at the top of the seniority list. Which means enjoying the best and most productive flying there is. Long haul international. That kind of flying can be very challenging on the mind and the body for folks under 50. It would sure be a test for those at or near 70.
03-19-2019, 06:13 AM
#342
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
EASA study just released. Age 65 will be the ICAO limit for a long time. Everyone relax!
3.2.2 CAT pilots flying multi-pilot operations
Based on the outcome of Task 1 and 2, it was concluded that allowing pilots older than 65 years in multi- pilot CAT operations would require additional risk-mitigation measures such as specific tests to support the aeromedical decision on the applicant’s fitness on an individual basis. We recommend keeping the age limit at 65 years as it is currently set by EASA (FCL.065; EASA, 2016).
It is currently not recommended to further relax or completely abolish the 65-year age limit because:
3.2.2 CAT pilots flying multi-pilot operations
Based on the outcome of Task 1 and 2, it was concluded that allowing pilots older than 65 years in multi- pilot CAT operations would require additional risk-mitigation measures such as specific tests to support the aeromedical decision on the applicant’s fitness on an individual basis. We recommend keeping the age limit at 65 years as it is currently set by EASA (FCL.065; EASA, 2016).
It is currently not recommended to further relax or completely abolish the 65-year age limit because:
03-19-2019, 06:54 AM
#344
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
MPL is the reason there’s no “pilot shortage” in Europe...
03-19-2019, 07:15 AM
#345
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Colgan put the stake in that concept in the US, at least for the foreseeable future.
03-19-2019, 07:32 AM
#346
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Originally Posted by baseball
I don't think it's arbitrary at all.
There is allot of scientific studies going on about cognitive skills as you age. Naturally reflexes diminish as expected. Sure, the experience is there as well as the judgment, but cognitive function is an issue.
Your local FAA designated medical examiner is likely not a cognitive specialist. So, no real way for older pilots to really be subjectively examined, and if so, that cognitive test would have to apply to everyone, not just those over 60, or 65, or xx.
I have flown with way too many over 60 pilots who just couldn't stay awake, or alert, or who just weren't able to handle those 16 hour flights to Asia. Positive rate, gear up, nap time....
Not being mean, or being funny. But it is what it is. As you get older your ability to be alert and engaged is simply harder to do.
Passing a medical check is easy. It's not about "passing a medical check, or holding a medical." it's about doing it right, and being at the top of your game, and being fair to those you share the flight deck with. The rest of the flight deck doesn't want to, nor deserve to change grandpa's diapers and cover for him just because pops wants to prolong and lengthen his career so that he can keep earning top money.
Everyone's retirement planner likely reminded them there is a mandatory retirement age. If you are in doubt as to what the retirement age is, and what it will stay at then have another visit with your financial planner, get your house in order, and plan to exit the career as gracefully as you entered it.
Cognitive function declines as we get older. It's just a part of aging. Same goes for alertness and stamina. The more senior you are, the more likely you will be at the top of the seniority list. Which means enjoying the best and most productive flying there is. Long haul international. That kind of flying can be very challenging on the mind and the body for folks under 50. It would sure be a test for those at or near 70.
There is allot of scientific studies going on about cognitive skills as you age. Naturally reflexes diminish as expected. Sure, the experience is there as well as the judgment, but cognitive function is an issue.
Your local FAA designated medical examiner is likely not a cognitive specialist. So, no real way for older pilots to really be subjectively examined, and if so, that cognitive test would have to apply to everyone, not just those over 60, or 65, or xx.
I have flown with way too many over 60 pilots who just couldn't stay awake, or alert, or who just weren't able to handle those 16 hour flights to Asia. Positive rate, gear up, nap time....
Not being mean, or being funny. But it is what it is. As you get older your ability to be alert and engaged is simply harder to do.
Passing a medical check is easy. It's not about "passing a medical check, or holding a medical." it's about doing it right, and being at the top of your game, and being fair to those you share the flight deck with. The rest of the flight deck doesn't want to, nor deserve to change grandpa's diapers and cover for him just because pops wants to prolong and lengthen his career so that he can keep earning top money.
Everyone's retirement planner likely reminded them there is a mandatory retirement age. If you are in doubt as to what the retirement age is, and what it will stay at then have another visit with your financial planner, get your house in order, and plan to exit the career as gracefully as you entered it.
Cognitive function declines as we get older. It's just a part of aging. Same goes for alertness and stamina. The more senior you are, the more likely you will be at the top of the seniority list. Which means enjoying the best and most productive flying there is. Long haul international. That kind of flying can be very challenging on the mind and the body for folks under 50. It would sure be a test for those at or near 70.
Im in my mid-40s so Ill probably run out of the flight deck at 65 or earlier; I just think if your 68 and are as sharp as ever, why should you be removed?
Ive flown with fat slobs in their 50s who are unhealthy and in food comas until the Mississippi- is that safe?
Its not a cookie cutter approach that we need Baseball.
03-19-2019, 09:04 AM
#347
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Originally Posted by kevbo
Step back and observe how people respond to accidents. It's okay if an old guy wrecks an airplane. He will often be seen as a hero. When a young one does it, lack of age and experience is the first rattle out of the bucket. Of course this never applys to military pilots. They are beyond reproach for some reason.
When was the last time a military guy crashed a US airliner?
The recent ones were all civilian pilots. Sully and Tammy Jo did save a bunch of people though.
03-19-2019, 09:56 AM
#348
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
So have more comprehensive exams, but dont group all of a certain age together.
Im in my mid-40s so Ill probably run out of the flight deck at 65 or earlier; I just think if your 68 and are as sharp as ever, why should you be removed?
Ive flown with fat slobs in their 50s who are unhealthy and in food comas until the Mississippi- is that safe?
Its not a cookie cutter approach that we need Baseball.
Im in my mid-40s so Ill probably run out of the flight deck at 65 or earlier; I just think if your 68 and are as sharp as ever, why should you be removed?
Ive flown with fat slobs in their 50s who are unhealthy and in food comas until the Mississippi- is that safe?
Its not a cookie cutter approach that we need Baseball.
03-19-2019, 11:31 AM
#349
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You are out to lunch.
When was the last time a military guy crashed a US airliner?
The recent ones were all civilian pilots. Sully and Tammy Jo did save a bunch of people though.
When was the last time a military guy crashed a US airliner?
The recent ones were all civilian pilots. Sully and Tammy Jo did save a bunch of people though.
03-19-2019, 11:38 AM
#350
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Originally Posted by baseball
I don't think it's arbitrary at all.
There is allot of scientific studies going on about cognitive skills as you age. Naturally reflexes diminish as expected. Sure, the experience is there as well as the judgment, but cognitive function is an issue.
Your local FAA designated medical examiner is likely not a cognitive specialist. So, no real way for older pilots to really be subjectively examined, and if so, that cognitive test would have to apply to everyone, not just those over 60, or 65, or xx.
I have flown with way too many over 60 pilots who just couldn't stay awake, or alert, or who just weren't able to handle those 16 hour flights to Asia. Positive rate, gear up, nap time....
Not being mean, or being funny. But it is what it is. As you get older your ability to be alert and engaged is simply harder to do.
Passing a medical check is easy. It's not about "passing a medical check, or holding a medical." it's about doing it right, and being at the top of your game, and being fair to those you share the flight deck with. The rest of the flight deck doesn't want to, nor deserve to change grandpa's diapers and cover for him just because pops wants to prolong and lengthen his career so that he can keep earning top money.
Everyone's retirement planner likely reminded them there is a mandatory retirement age. If you are in doubt as to what the retirement age is, and what it will stay at then have another visit with your financial planner, get your house in order, and plan to exit the career as gracefully as you entered it.
Cognitive function declines as we get older. It's just a part of aging. Same goes for alertness and stamina. The more senior you are, the more likely you will be at the top of the seniority list. Which means enjoying the best and most productive flying there is. Long haul international. That kind of flying can be very challenging on the mind and the body for folks under 50. It would sure be a test for those at or near 70.
There is allot of scientific studies going on about cognitive skills as you age. Naturally reflexes diminish as expected. Sure, the experience is there as well as the judgment, but cognitive function is an issue.
Your local FAA designated medical examiner is likely not a cognitive specialist. So, no real way for older pilots to really be subjectively examined, and if so, that cognitive test would have to apply to everyone, not just those over 60, or 65, or xx.
I have flown with way too many over 60 pilots who just couldn't stay awake, or alert, or who just weren't able to handle those 16 hour flights to Asia. Positive rate, gear up, nap time....
Not being mean, or being funny. But it is what it is. As you get older your ability to be alert and engaged is simply harder to do.
Passing a medical check is easy. It's not about "passing a medical check, or holding a medical." it's about doing it right, and being at the top of your game, and being fair to those you share the flight deck with. The rest of the flight deck doesn't want to, nor deserve to change grandpa's diapers and cover for him just because pops wants to prolong and lengthen his career so that he can keep earning top money.
Everyone's retirement planner likely reminded them there is a mandatory retirement age. If you are in doubt as to what the retirement age is, and what it will stay at then have another visit with your financial planner, get your house in order, and plan to exit the career as gracefully as you entered it.
Cognitive function declines as we get older. It's just a part of aging. Same goes for alertness and stamina. The more senior you are, the more likely you will be at the top of the seniority list. Which means enjoying the best and most productive flying there is. Long haul international. That kind of flying can be very challenging on the mind and the body for folks under 50. It would sure be a test for those at or near 70.
I’m sorry, you have failed the cognitive test.
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