You're trying to deflect. The point is that anybody can be manipulated depending upon the information they're given. Delta pilots are no different than any other human being in that regard. Heavily slanted information will often times result in the desired decision hoped for by the people who slanted the information. Especially true if information is strictly controlled and opposing information doesn't get out.

That's always a possibility. But 5,600 Delta pilots have signed a card to decertify ALPA. Don't think that could happen without the pilot group being wary of the information they're getting from their union.

Nobody is trying to make that case except you. DPA has never said such a thing.

Carl

Worked on a number of committees like merger, communications, safety and strike preparedness. Ran once for Captain rep and lost. So no, I don't have a voting record as a rep.

Carl

You're right. We never achieved outsourcing half our domestic capacity to RJ's. And we never achieved pension termination.

Carl

Thanks for that. It might be worth refreshing from time-to-time, especially in those occasions when you attack someone actually in the arena who is trying to make good choices.

You're saying there was never an opposing perspective or contrary opinion put out by ALPA? Really? Did you read what your reps published during the TA vote? Did you read what was published in MSP, or in SEA?

Prove it.

According to my Delta buds, yes they were. DALPA heavily minimized how much of the gains were at the expense of massive scope give-aways.

I didn't think so because NWALPA put out a pro and con paper. I felt I was able to make an informed decision that way. I voted NO because the con side showed me we were putting too much of the burden on the bottom 25% of the pilot list.

Not just rates. I want the entirety of our contract restored...at a minimum. You need to get beyond thinking of rates as the end all and be all. A lot more than rates were taken from us by bankruptcy judges. Therefore a lot more than rates need to be restored.

See above.

I just posted why I voted no.

Carl

Numbers from last Flight Operations update:

Mainline fleet in 2012 ... 571
Mainline fleet in 2017 ... 713 (incl. airbus order)

RJ fleet 2012 .... 598
RJ fleet 2017 .... 445 (expected revision to 420)

Using objective numbers Contract 2012's Section 1 is functioning in concert with the airline's business plan.

He sure did. He was scared of the threatened recall against him if he didn't agree to vote like the rest if his council.

This has nothing to do with DPA. It has to do with a rep succumbing to pressure. This rep was not voted into office to maintain the Moak top-down dictatorship. He was voted in by constituents who wanted change. He voted to perpetuate the old status quo.

O....K....

Carl

I asked what happened to "white papers," and that's your response? A dozen questions?

Classic political obfuscation, misdirection...with a dose of plain ol' nonsense.

Answer the question.

I for one am looking forward to the spring of 2014. The post merger consolidation will be done and the merged network infrastructure is built for sustainable growth. We will have new hires pushing us all up the list. By 2015 quite a few Delta pilots will occasionally have placed their hands on something they've not seen in a long time ... a new aircraft.

By summer, we will be almost short of pilots. Probably green slip city for the MD88/90, 717 crews. Every category will be working, even those who intended to be "on the job, retired." Crew Resources will have to get on the leading edge as these Captains decide to enjoy their time doing something other than disrupting their rest flying to oddball corners of the planet.

Sure that there will still be those with lots to complain about, but sure seems like good news for those of us who's goals are straightforward; flying, having a secure job, getting paid reasonably well (among the best in the profession) and having something to look forward to.

How does this relate to the DPA? Well, the DPA represents a lot of things, mostly frustration. If the metaphor is used of a frog in a boiling pot of water, perhaps the DPA supporters are simply more sensitive to the heat than the other frogs. Job insecurity, stagnation, demotion, furlough are horrible stressors for those effected and our union IS the easiest party to blame (after all they work for us and can't really fight back without running into the fact that, they work for us).

So, if there is an apogee for the DPA, this has to about be it. In the future, I think most pilots will be too busy flying, upgrading and enjoying the financial freedom that comes with good job security to complain.

Not all swans are white, but even if a black one is lurking, we are well positioned.