Delta Pilots Association
02-07-2014, 04:04 PM
#9172
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 165
October 7, 2010 - DPA “comes out”
October 9, 2010 - DPA points to Transform ALPA as de facto "proof"
October 29, 2010 - DPA “pilots” begin writing CB&L
November 17, 2010 - DPA accuses Delta Management of resistance “Photos were obtained and the details were reported for use in potential National Mediation Board or Federal litigation.”
December 20, 2010 - Keep An Eye Out For The DPA Sticker - How’s that going?
February 9, 2011 “DPA has been expecting this leak since late January…” & “Please do not continue to misrepresent my position. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I will yield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of overtures to CAPA.” - Captain Bates - APA
April 8, 2011 Accuses ALPA “ALPA did everything possible to have Delta Flight Operations management shut DPA down, but failed at every attempt.”
April 14, 2011 ATL Surge Week Report “…an ALPA operative was identified attempting to damage DPA during the Surge Week and gain access to confidential DPA information. The suspicion was verified in a sting operation which neutralized the threat without damage to DPA and other operatives were identified in the process. The individual was a “sleeper”, installed into our organization last fall and activated during the Surge Week.” & “…evidence was left behind that DPA was able to analyze and use, pointing to specific Delta pilots. Delta management was provided the evidence because the Delta brand was being tarnished and the videos violated Delta's Social Media Policy. Management committed to throwing the “full weight of Delta Air Lines” behind the prosecution of this unprofessional behavior. It is sad that careers may be in jeopardy because individuals can find no better way to respond to DPA assertions.”
April 25, 2011 “In studying these facts, you will see that we could finish this campaign next week if every current member reaches just TWO new people in the next seven days. We could also take as long as six months to hit our mark if member participation is restricted to just a few motivated people.”
August 1, 2011 ALPA Found GUILTY in TWA Case “It is perfectly clear that the few remaining mainline ALPA members will pay for the lion's share of ALPA's mistakes.”
August 19, 2011 ALPA Withdraws Services From APA…and reinstates them almost immediately “This announcement comes as no surprise to DPA members.”
August 19, 2011 JetBlue Pilots Reject ALPA - Management emails DPA provided material to JetBlue pilots and hires “a PR firm (MWW) that specifically deflected the argument away from unionizing to focus on defeating an ALPA-sponsorship. In other words, the last vote was about preventing ALPA from coming on property, not about replacing the direct relationship.”
August 30, 2011 DPA Challenges ALPA's Misuse of V-Files - Flight Ops tells DPA that they don’t understand the rules they were given in writing
September 19, 2011 DPA Releases Contract Survey Summary - Includes demands for an immediate 54% raise on top of SWA rates and “take back certain” flying but not all…
September 27, 2011 Captain Graham's response to DPA - He again reminds Caplinger that he was given written rules to follow and disagrees with Seham’s advice to pilots that could result in insubordination
October 6, 2011 DPA Push Crew Registration Opens “Motivated by the previous DPA News article titled "Captain Graham's Response to DPA", we are raising the stakes…”
October 8, 2011 United Pilot Adds Support for DPA Campaign - I thought this was about representing Delta pilots and removing conflicts by working with other air carriers?
October 11, 2011 ALPA Advocates Rule Change Requiring Fellow Pilots to Report Each Other to Management - False
October 14, 2011 ALPA Digs Deeper Hole in TWA Case “…ALPA members may see the damage award and potential levied assessments in very short order.”
October 19, 2011 “Lee Seham is serving as the pre-certification attorney for DPA's legal needs and is earning the right to be considered for services following DPA certification.” Airline managements the world over should be happy.
October 20, 2011 DPA Conducts First Video Teleconference “… minor technical difficulties occassionally (sic) interupted (sic) the quality of the conference…”
November 17, 2011 The Closure of the MEM Pilot Base “…the closure of pilot bases has been used by management in the past to shape upcoming votes.” Sure it has.
November 25, 2011 DPA Issues Contract Opening Statement From Mike Protack, Chairman, DPA Negotiations Committee “All DPA members should work to achieve a vote prior to the opener to give us our preferred path to an exceptional new Delta Pilot Working Agreement.” “The DPA President WILL sign our member ratified contract without hesitation…” “DPA will seek to ensure that Delta continues to grow into a financially solid and profitable company.” Contract Opening Statement - “ A contract which is understandable, enforceable and beneficial to both parties and should not exceed 200 pages.” “Increased Pilot Change Schedule Options to maximize productivity, reduce reserve requirements, increase pilot schedule choices and the pilot quality of life.” “…the goal is to put a well qualified pilot in his/her seat, fly them to maximum utilization and return them quickly to rest status.” “Establish flow up/seniority for all regional affiliates…”
December 18, 2011 Scope - NYC and Charter Flying Slip Further Out of the Delta Pilot Grasp - Fast forward to 2013 - Delta reports more departures out of NYC than any other time in Delta history…
October 9, 2010 - DPA points to Transform ALPA as de facto "proof"
October 29, 2010 - DPA “pilots” begin writing CB&L
November 17, 2010 - DPA accuses Delta Management of resistance “Photos were obtained and the details were reported for use in potential National Mediation Board or Federal litigation.”
December 20, 2010 - Keep An Eye Out For The DPA Sticker - How’s that going?
February 9, 2011 “DPA has been expecting this leak since late January…” & “Please do not continue to misrepresent my position. I stand strongly behind the leadership at ALPA and have been working diligently to forge closer cooperation and coordination between APA and ALPA. To be clear, I will yield my veto power at CAPA to defeat any attempts by the DPA to make any sort of overtures to CAPA.” - Captain Bates - APA
April 8, 2011 Accuses ALPA “ALPA did everything possible to have Delta Flight Operations management shut DPA down, but failed at every attempt.”
April 14, 2011 ATL Surge Week Report “…an ALPA operative was identified attempting to damage DPA during the Surge Week and gain access to confidential DPA information. The suspicion was verified in a sting operation which neutralized the threat without damage to DPA and other operatives were identified in the process. The individual was a “sleeper”, installed into our organization last fall and activated during the Surge Week.” & “…evidence was left behind that DPA was able to analyze and use, pointing to specific Delta pilots. Delta management was provided the evidence because the Delta brand was being tarnished and the videos violated Delta's Social Media Policy. Management committed to throwing the “full weight of Delta Air Lines” behind the prosecution of this unprofessional behavior. It is sad that careers may be in jeopardy because individuals can find no better way to respond to DPA assertions.”
April 25, 2011 “In studying these facts, you will see that we could finish this campaign next week if every current member reaches just TWO new people in the next seven days. We could also take as long as six months to hit our mark if member participation is restricted to just a few motivated people.”
August 1, 2011 ALPA Found GUILTY in TWA Case “It is perfectly clear that the few remaining mainline ALPA members will pay for the lion's share of ALPA's mistakes.”
August 19, 2011 ALPA Withdraws Services From APA…and reinstates them almost immediately “This announcement comes as no surprise to DPA members.”
August 19, 2011 JetBlue Pilots Reject ALPA - Management emails DPA provided material to JetBlue pilots and hires “a PR firm (MWW) that specifically deflected the argument away from unionizing to focus on defeating an ALPA-sponsorship. In other words, the last vote was about preventing ALPA from coming on property, not about replacing the direct relationship.”
August 30, 2011 DPA Challenges ALPA's Misuse of V-Files - Flight Ops tells DPA that they don’t understand the rules they were given in writing
September 19, 2011 DPA Releases Contract Survey Summary - Includes demands for an immediate 54% raise on top of SWA rates and “take back certain” flying but not all…
September 27, 2011 Captain Graham's response to DPA - He again reminds Caplinger that he was given written rules to follow and disagrees with Seham’s advice to pilots that could result in insubordination
October 6, 2011 DPA Push Crew Registration Opens “Motivated by the previous DPA News article titled "Captain Graham's Response to DPA", we are raising the stakes…”
October 8, 2011 United Pilot Adds Support for DPA Campaign - I thought this was about representing Delta pilots and removing conflicts by working with other air carriers?
October 11, 2011 ALPA Advocates Rule Change Requiring Fellow Pilots to Report Each Other to Management - False
October 14, 2011 ALPA Digs Deeper Hole in TWA Case “…ALPA members may see the damage award and potential levied assessments in very short order.”
October 19, 2011 “Lee Seham is serving as the pre-certification attorney for DPA's legal needs and is earning the right to be considered for services following DPA certification.” Airline managements the world over should be happy.
October 20, 2011 DPA Conducts First Video Teleconference “… minor technical difficulties occassionally (sic) interupted (sic) the quality of the conference…”
November 17, 2011 The Closure of the MEM Pilot Base “…the closure of pilot bases has been used by management in the past to shape upcoming votes.” Sure it has.
November 25, 2011 DPA Issues Contract Opening Statement From Mike Protack, Chairman, DPA Negotiations Committee “All DPA members should work to achieve a vote prior to the opener to give us our preferred path to an exceptional new Delta Pilot Working Agreement.” “The DPA President WILL sign our member ratified contract without hesitation…” “DPA will seek to ensure that Delta continues to grow into a financially solid and profitable company.” Contract Opening Statement - “ A contract which is understandable, enforceable and beneficial to both parties and should not exceed 200 pages.” “Increased Pilot Change Schedule Options to maximize productivity, reduce reserve requirements, increase pilot schedule choices and the pilot quality of life.” “…the goal is to put a well qualified pilot in his/her seat, fly them to maximum utilization and return them quickly to rest status.” “Establish flow up/seniority for all regional affiliates…”
December 18, 2011 Scope - NYC and Charter Flying Slip Further Out of the Delta Pilot Grasp - Fast forward to 2013 - Delta reports more departures out of NYC than any other time in Delta history…
02-07-2014, 04:10 PM
#9173
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 165
January 9, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update and Kitty Hawk Exposed “It is imperative that Delta Pilots complete the transition to DPA before ALPA has a chance to penalize Delta Pilots for continuing ALPA failures.”
February 2, 2012 Former TWA MEC Chairman Responds to DAL MEC Touch & Gos “ALPA can dodge the issue only for so long. The mediation is scheduled for February 16th, 2012, in front of retired Judge James Rosenbaum. Will the TWA Pilots accept an offer that wipes out ALPA's assets or possibly hamstring ALPA with a payment plan that lasts long into the future? Will they reach an impasse because ALPA cannot afford to pay the TWA Pilots for the harm delivered? Will ALPA end up in front of another jury to determine the actual damages and suitable method of payment? Will ALPA be bankrupted by this failure to represent? Will ALPA turn to its membership for recovery funding? Time will tell.” - It did.
February 5, 2012 “Acknowledging the usefulness and pitfalls of arbitration and the requirement by the Railway Labor Act to participate in mediation, we could consider changing the System Board of Adjustment, in cases involving termination, to include three “neutral” arbitrators, one company representative and one DPA representative.“ - Anyone have any idea how much arbitrators cost?
February 8, 2012 ALPA's “Communications attempt to minimize the TWA lawsuit and its ramifications…”
February 29, 2012 ALPA Flounders on FAA NPRM on First Officer Qualifications While CAPA Prevails - DPA still whining that military trained pilots can go in the right seat with 750 hours
March 2, 2012 “ALPA is voted off the property.”
March 12, 2012 DPA BBQ in Peachtree City a Tasty and Informative Success! “I'm sure DPA will have future events like this…” - attendee
March 16, 2012 “ALPA could sign a two year contract extension and the Delta Pilot group would have NO SAY IN IT!”
March 31, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Mediation Update “…new information has been discovered that points to a very expensive outcome for ALPA and its members.”
April 9, 2012 ALPA Safety and Security Lacks Relevance “Attempting to cover up events or minimize them is no longer a valid way of dealing with them.” - Lies
April 23, 2012 “It seems very apparent that, in order to "improve the balance of flying", ALPA intends to allow the regional carriers the means to conduct more flying.” - 2013 ASM reports contradict this
April 24, 2012 “We do not know what the future holds and we certainly have no guarantees of being able to make gains in the future.” - DPA agrees with ALPA
May 2, 2012 DPA distorts LM-2 numbers, doesn’t publish the numbers of their own volunteers
May 4, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “DPA used Member donations to fund activity in our PACER account (court documents). Please consider making a donation to DPA right now to help us continue to provide you with this type of timely and critical information.” - These documents are available for free. Why pay for them with your money?
May 7, 2012 I'm Not Paying That TWA Damage Assessment or Dues Increase! - That’s right, we aren’t!
May 12, 2012 ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October 2012 - ALPA actually lowered dues at the 2012 BOD
May 14, 2012 DPA Makes Forum "Freedom of Speech" Pledge - Requires that you sign NMB representation card to get in
May 22, 2012 DPA Initial Reaction to the Tentative Agreement “The line pilot is the judge and jury in this matter.” Yes, they were.
July 2, 2012 Tentative Agreement Wrap Up - Passes with almost the same numbers as C2K
August 6, 2012 ALPA Losing Relevance at UAL - DPA continues to focus on other carriers and destroying ALPA, not improving Delta Pilots
August 6, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “… this article clearly demonstrates the chances of a successful appeal are diminishing every day.”
August 17, 2012 Council 20 Conducts Member Survey in Violation of ALPA Policy - DPA goes after it’s own reps and their view of a “policy violation”
August 17, 2012 “We have toiled diligently in preparation for this event for more than two years now.”
September 5, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “With all of the legal action facing ALPA over the next several months, when will ALPA officers be forced to raise funds to comply with National Policy?”
September 6, 2012 Jumpseat Incident Highlights DPA Professionalism - DPA bypasses PROSTANS and goes to CPO “DPA Leadership spoke with Delta management regarding this issue. Delta considers this incident very serious and views it as discrimination.”
September 26, 2012 DPA Reaches out to ALPA in Second Jumpseat Denial Incident - DPA runs to CPO, again…
September 28, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “ALPA states that they have "never assessed its membership to pay for litigation, awards, verdicts or settlements". Past performance has little bearing on future requirements.”
October 22, 2012 DPA Lapel Pin Meets Resistance From Management “DPA is aggressively pursuing the matter by engaging our attorneys…”
November 19, 2012 “Delta Pilots will be asked to bail out ALPA's mistakes if we are on ALPA's roster when the "house of cards" falls.”
December 6, 2012 “DPA stands by the UAL/CAL pilots and will continue to support them in any way possible.”
December 6, 2012 ALPA Refund Check - A dues refund and a dues reduction. These guys are A$$hats!
December 30, 2012 United Pilots Announce Launch of Independent Union - DPA provides documents to UPU to destroy ALPA instead of focusing on Delta Pilots
January 25, 2013 ALPA Presidential Oil Portrait - Let’s get rid of that. BOD resolution?
February 5, 2013 “ALPA now faces the single greatest threat to its existence, the TWA Lawsuit Damages Trial.“
February 6, 2013 “Your dues dollars are slipping away into vacuums of excess, extravagance and bottomless litigations.” - Pilots suing pilots
February 20, 2013 Mike Protack offers his interpretation of how White Slips should be given out
March 1, 2013 “Is this ($1,000,000,000,000) enough to cover the TWA lawsuit damages?”
April 16, 2013 DPA Demonstrates Commitment to a National Media Strategy - Prints $6000 of color folders and hand stuffs USA Today in “key” layover hotels
April 16, 2013 “ALPA still has not finished repaying the 2010 $2.5 Million SunTrust loan taken out to pay a portion of the $44 Million Mansfield settlement.” - ALPA just got 90% of that back
April 29, 2013 Attacks ALPA members (again)
May 11, 2013 Delta Management and ALPA - Too Close For Comfort - DPA whines about not having a board
July 28, 2013 “We have enough members to file with the National Mediation Board. Only one hurdle remains, bringing our members' Authorization Cards up to date.”
July 28, 2013 Caplinger reminds us he was furloughed
August 16, 2013 DPA Partners With SunTrust Bank For Start-up Financing - Loan documents expired in 2013…
February 2, 2012 Former TWA MEC Chairman Responds to DAL MEC Touch & Gos “ALPA can dodge the issue only for so long. The mediation is scheduled for February 16th, 2012, in front of retired Judge James Rosenbaum. Will the TWA Pilots accept an offer that wipes out ALPA's assets or possibly hamstring ALPA with a payment plan that lasts long into the future? Will they reach an impasse because ALPA cannot afford to pay the TWA Pilots for the harm delivered? Will ALPA end up in front of another jury to determine the actual damages and suitable method of payment? Will ALPA be bankrupted by this failure to represent? Will ALPA turn to its membership for recovery funding? Time will tell.” - It did.
February 5, 2012 “Acknowledging the usefulness and pitfalls of arbitration and the requirement by the Railway Labor Act to participate in mediation, we could consider changing the System Board of Adjustment, in cases involving termination, to include three “neutral” arbitrators, one company representative and one DPA representative.“ - Anyone have any idea how much arbitrators cost?
February 8, 2012 ALPA's “Communications attempt to minimize the TWA lawsuit and its ramifications…”
February 29, 2012 ALPA Flounders on FAA NPRM on First Officer Qualifications While CAPA Prevails - DPA still whining that military trained pilots can go in the right seat with 750 hours
March 2, 2012 “ALPA is voted off the property.”
March 12, 2012 DPA BBQ in Peachtree City a Tasty and Informative Success! “I'm sure DPA will have future events like this…” - attendee
March 16, 2012 “ALPA could sign a two year contract extension and the Delta Pilot group would have NO SAY IN IT!”
March 31, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Mediation Update “…new information has been discovered that points to a very expensive outcome for ALPA and its members.”
April 9, 2012 ALPA Safety and Security Lacks Relevance “Attempting to cover up events or minimize them is no longer a valid way of dealing with them.” - Lies
April 23, 2012 “It seems very apparent that, in order to "improve the balance of flying", ALPA intends to allow the regional carriers the means to conduct more flying.” - 2013 ASM reports contradict this
April 24, 2012 “We do not know what the future holds and we certainly have no guarantees of being able to make gains in the future.” - DPA agrees with ALPA
May 2, 2012 DPA distorts LM-2 numbers, doesn’t publish the numbers of their own volunteers
May 4, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “DPA used Member donations to fund activity in our PACER account (court documents). Please consider making a donation to DPA right now to help us continue to provide you with this type of timely and critical information.” - These documents are available for free. Why pay for them with your money?
May 7, 2012 I'm Not Paying That TWA Damage Assessment or Dues Increase! - That’s right, we aren’t!
May 12, 2012 ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October 2012 - ALPA actually lowered dues at the 2012 BOD
May 14, 2012 DPA Makes Forum "Freedom of Speech" Pledge - Requires that you sign NMB representation card to get in
May 22, 2012 DPA Initial Reaction to the Tentative Agreement “The line pilot is the judge and jury in this matter.” Yes, they were.
July 2, 2012 Tentative Agreement Wrap Up - Passes with almost the same numbers as C2K
August 6, 2012 ALPA Losing Relevance at UAL - DPA continues to focus on other carriers and destroying ALPA, not improving Delta Pilots
August 6, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “… this article clearly demonstrates the chances of a successful appeal are diminishing every day.”
August 17, 2012 Council 20 Conducts Member Survey in Violation of ALPA Policy - DPA goes after it’s own reps and their view of a “policy violation”
August 17, 2012 “We have toiled diligently in preparation for this event for more than two years now.”
September 5, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “With all of the legal action facing ALPA over the next several months, when will ALPA officers be forced to raise funds to comply with National Policy?”
September 6, 2012 Jumpseat Incident Highlights DPA Professionalism - DPA bypasses PROSTANS and goes to CPO “DPA Leadership spoke with Delta management regarding this issue. Delta considers this incident very serious and views it as discrimination.”
September 26, 2012 DPA Reaches out to ALPA in Second Jumpseat Denial Incident - DPA runs to CPO, again…
September 28, 2012 TWA Lawsuit Update “ALPA states that they have "never assessed its membership to pay for litigation, awards, verdicts or settlements". Past performance has little bearing on future requirements.”
October 22, 2012 DPA Lapel Pin Meets Resistance From Management “DPA is aggressively pursuing the matter by engaging our attorneys…”
November 19, 2012 “Delta Pilots will be asked to bail out ALPA's mistakes if we are on ALPA's roster when the "house of cards" falls.”
December 6, 2012 “DPA stands by the UAL/CAL pilots and will continue to support them in any way possible.”
December 6, 2012 ALPA Refund Check - A dues refund and a dues reduction. These guys are A$$hats!
December 30, 2012 United Pilots Announce Launch of Independent Union - DPA provides documents to UPU to destroy ALPA instead of focusing on Delta Pilots
January 25, 2013 ALPA Presidential Oil Portrait - Let’s get rid of that. BOD resolution?
February 5, 2013 “ALPA now faces the single greatest threat to its existence, the TWA Lawsuit Damages Trial.“
February 6, 2013 “Your dues dollars are slipping away into vacuums of excess, extravagance and bottomless litigations.” - Pilots suing pilots
February 20, 2013 Mike Protack offers his interpretation of how White Slips should be given out
March 1, 2013 “Is this ($1,000,000,000,000) enough to cover the TWA lawsuit damages?”
April 16, 2013 DPA Demonstrates Commitment to a National Media Strategy - Prints $6000 of color folders and hand stuffs USA Today in “key” layover hotels
April 16, 2013 “ALPA still has not finished repaying the 2010 $2.5 Million SunTrust loan taken out to pay a portion of the $44 Million Mansfield settlement.” - ALPA just got 90% of that back
April 29, 2013 Attacks ALPA members (again)
May 11, 2013 Delta Management and ALPA - Too Close For Comfort - DPA whines about not having a board
July 28, 2013 “We have enough members to file with the National Mediation Board. Only one hurdle remains, bringing our members' Authorization Cards up to date.”
July 28, 2013 Caplinger reminds us he was furloughed
August 16, 2013 DPA Partners With SunTrust Bank For Start-up Financing - Loan documents expired in 2013…
02-07-2014, 04:15 PM
#9174
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 165
- Fear over TWA lawsuit
- Says they'll be ready for Contract 2010,2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015...
- Runs to CPO, Flight Ops when they don't get their way
- Turns in pilots to CPO, Flight Ops when they don't get their way
- Results to lawers and litigation when they don't get their way
- Picks on certain ALPA members and councils, yet feigns innocence
- Mike Protack and his 200 page wonder contract written by basbeball proffesionals that increase productivity for the company and is beneficial to them
- They clearly have attempted to cause pilots to loose their jobs and write about defending jobs in the same breath
Edit: Someone just PM'd this to me, says this was always a merger thing. Have the DPA really been around since 2009? Link to here
02-07-2014, 04:37 PM
#9175
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Originally Posted by TheManager
Here it is, one MORE time!
737
Delta capt. 12 year $210 hour. FO $144
SWA capt. 12 year $216 hour. FO $150
Our medical costs and plans have soared! $7,000 out of pocket for my family alone. We hit the max. Yeah, it sucks and not every family does that.
737
Delta capt. 12 year $210 hour. FO $144
SWA capt. 12 year $216 hour. FO $150
Our medical costs and plans have soared! $7,000 out of pocket for my family alone. We hit the max. Yeah, it sucks and not every family does that.
The average 12 yr FO rate at DAL is $150.07*, exclusive of international overrides.
Delta pilots get 15% of their earning placed in their 401k without a match required. SW pilots get 9.3% but only if they match.
The average of Delta line-holding pilots was 89 hours of pay per month in 2013.
(NOT flight hours, PAY hours. Big difference)
Captains: (12 x 89 x 217.08)+15% = $266,976*** average in 2013**
FO's: (12 x 89 x 150.07)+15% = $184,439*** average in 2013**
Take out the worst case scenario $7,000 for medical and DAL pilots still end up ahead of SWA pilots.
On a side note: Doesn't this speak to Tsquare's idea that LGBP could benefit the Delta pilots? (I still don't want to see it at DAL but that's just me)
*22.D.2 numbers for August 2014 divided by 2014 DAL pay rates.
**individual results will obviously vary
***DAL is paying 8.2% of earnings in PS, SW percentage unknown
I have high expectations in 2015, but I will not minimize the achievements made with a marginally profitable airline dealing with a global economic recession.
DAL will be hitting C2K era margins with a much more stable industry and healthy balance sheet right as we get to open Section 6 next year. I think the Delta MEC timed it rather well. Let's hope they can continue the trajectory and even turn it up a few notches.
02-07-2014, 05:11 PM
#9176
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by shiznit
The average 12 yr CA rate at DAL is $217.08*, exclusive of international override.
The average 12 yr FO rate at DAL is $150.07*, exclusive of international overrides.
Delta pilots get 15% of their earning placed in their 401k without a match required. SW pilots get 9.3% but only if they match.
The average of Delta line-holding pilots was 89 hours of pay per month in 2013.
(NOT flight hours, PAY hours. Big difference)
Captains: (12 x 89 x 217.08)+15% = $266,976*** average in 2013**
FO's: (12 x 89 x 150.07)+15% = $184,439*** average in 2013**
Take out the worst case scenario $7,000 for medical and DAL pilots still end up ahead of SWA pilots.
On a side note: Doesn't this speak to Tsquare's idea that LGBP could benefit the Delta pilots? (I still don't want to see it at DAL but that's just me)
*22.D.2 numbers for August 2014 divided by 2014 DAL pay rates.
**individual results will obviously vary
***DAL is paying 8.2% of earnings in PS, SW percentage unknown
I have high expectations in 2015, but I will not minimize the achievements made with a marginally profitable airline dealing with a global economic recession.
DAL will be hitting C2K era margins with a much more stable industry and healthy balance sheet right as we get to open Section 6 next year. I think the Delta MEC timed it rather well. Let's hope they can continue the trajectory and even turn it up a few notches.
The average 12 yr FO rate at DAL is $150.07*, exclusive of international overrides.
Delta pilots get 15% of their earning placed in their 401k without a match required. SW pilots get 9.3% but only if they match.
The average of Delta line-holding pilots was 89 hours of pay per month in 2013.
(NOT flight hours, PAY hours. Big difference)
Captains: (12 x 89 x 217.08)+15% = $266,976*** average in 2013**
FO's: (12 x 89 x 150.07)+15% = $184,439*** average in 2013**
Take out the worst case scenario $7,000 for medical and DAL pilots still end up ahead of SWA pilots.
On a side note: Doesn't this speak to Tsquare's idea that LGBP could benefit the Delta pilots? (I still don't want to see it at DAL but that's just me)
*22.D.2 numbers for August 2014 divided by 2014 DAL pay rates.
**individual results will obviously vary
***DAL is paying 8.2% of earnings in PS, SW percentage unknown
I have high expectations in 2015, but I will not minimize the achievements made with a marginally profitable airline dealing with a global economic recession.
DAL will be hitting C2K era margins with a much more stable industry and healthy balance sheet right as we get to open Section 6 next year. I think the Delta MEC timed it rather well. Let's hope they can continue the trajectory and even turn it up a few notches.
02-07-2014, 05:20 PM
#9177
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by shiznit
The average 12 yr CA rate at DAL is $217.08*, exclusive of international override.
The average 12 yr FO rate at DAL is $150.07*, exclusive of international overrides.
Delta pilots get 15% of their earning placed in their 401k without a match required. SW pilots get 9.3% but only if they match.
The average of Delta line-holding pilots was 89 hours of pay per month in 2013.
(NOT flight hours, PAY hours. Big difference)
Captains: (12 x 89 x 217.08)+15% = $266,976*** average in 2013**
FO's: (12 x 89 x 150.07)+15% = $184,439*** average in 2013**
Take out the worst case scenario $7,000 for medical and DAL pilots still end up ahead of SWA pilots.
On a side note: Doesn't this speak to Tsquare's idea that LGBP could benefit the Delta pilots? (I still don't want to see it at DAL but that's just me)
*22.D.2 numbers for August 2014 divided by 2014 DAL pay rates.
**individual results will obviously vary
***DAL is paying 8.2% of earnings in PS, SW percentage unknown
I have high expectations in 2015, but I will not minimize the achievements made with a marginally profitable airline dealing with a global economic recession.
DAL will be hitting C2K era margins with a much more stable industry and healthy balance sheet right as we get to open Section 6 next year. I think the Delta MEC timed it rather well. Let's hope they can continue the trajectory and even turn it up a few notches.
The average 12 yr FO rate at DAL is $150.07*, exclusive of international overrides.
Delta pilots get 15% of their earning placed in their 401k without a match required. SW pilots get 9.3% but only if they match.
The average of Delta line-holding pilots was 89 hours of pay per month in 2013.
(NOT flight hours, PAY hours. Big difference)
Captains: (12 x 89 x 217.08)+15% = $266,976*** average in 2013**
FO's: (12 x 89 x 150.07)+15% = $184,439*** average in 2013**
Take out the worst case scenario $7,000 for medical and DAL pilots still end up ahead of SWA pilots.
On a side note: Doesn't this speak to Tsquare's idea that LGBP could benefit the Delta pilots? (I still don't want to see it at DAL but that's just me)
*22.D.2 numbers for August 2014 divided by 2014 DAL pay rates.
**individual results will obviously vary
***DAL is paying 8.2% of earnings in PS, SW percentage unknown
I have high expectations in 2015, but I will not minimize the achievements made with a marginally profitable airline dealing with a global economic recession.
DAL will be hitting C2K era margins with a much more stable industry and healthy balance sheet right as we get to open Section 6 next year. I think the Delta MEC timed it rather well. Let's hope they can continue the trajectory and even turn it up a few notches.
You also failed to include rsvs which biases it high.
). By me being at DELTA I bring the average up!!!
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Originally Posted by shiznit
The average 12 yr CA rate at DAL is $217.08*, exclusive of international override.
The average 12 yr FO rate at DAL is $150.07*, exclusive of international overrides.
Delta pilots get 15% of their earning placed in their 401k without a match required. SW pilots get 9.3% but only if they match.
The average of Delta line-holding pilots was 89 hours of pay per month in 2013.
(NOT flight hours, PAY hours. Big difference)
Captains: (12 x 89 x 217.08)+15% = $266,976*** average in 2013**
FO's: (12 x 89 x 150.07)+15% = $184,439*** average in 2013**
Take out the worst case scenario $7,000 for medical and DAL pilots still end up ahead of SWA pilots.
On a side note: Doesn't this speak to Tsquare's idea that LGBP could benefit the Delta pilots? (I still don't want to see it at DAL but that's just me)
*22.D.2 numbers for August 2014 divided by 2014 DAL pay rates.
**individual results will obviously vary
***DAL is paying 8.2% of earnings in PS, SW percentage unknown
I have high expectations in 2015, but I will not minimize the achievements made with a marginally profitable airline dealing with a global economic recession.
DAL will be hitting C2K era margins with a much more stable industry and healthy balance sheet right as we get to open Section 6 next year. I think the Delta MEC timed it rather well. Let's hope they can continue the trajectory and even turn it up a few notches.
The average 12 yr FO rate at DAL is $150.07*, exclusive of international overrides.
Delta pilots get 15% of their earning placed in their 401k without a match required. SW pilots get 9.3% but only if they match.
The average of Delta line-holding pilots was 89 hours of pay per month in 2013.
(NOT flight hours, PAY hours. Big difference)
Captains: (12 x 89 x 217.08)+15% = $266,976*** average in 2013**
FO's: (12 x 89 x 150.07)+15% = $184,439*** average in 2013**
Take out the worst case scenario $7,000 for medical and DAL pilots still end up ahead of SWA pilots.
On a side note: Doesn't this speak to Tsquare's idea that LGBP could benefit the Delta pilots? (I still don't want to see it at DAL but that's just me)
*22.D.2 numbers for August 2014 divided by 2014 DAL pay rates.
**individual results will obviously vary
***DAL is paying 8.2% of earnings in PS, SW percentage unknown
I have high expectations in 2015, but I will not minimize the achievements made with a marginally profitable airline dealing with a global economic recession.
DAL will be hitting C2K era margins with a much more stable industry and healthy balance sheet right as we get to open Section 6 next year. I think the Delta MEC timed it rather well. Let's hope they can continue the trajectory and even turn it up a few notches.
Why don't you read this homie.
Pilots | Employees | SWATogether
Oh, and why do you have to use the "average Delta pilot?"
Total spin that's why. We fail going head to head, straight up. To make your spin work, you are going to toss in all the wide body pilots and pull out the reserves, it appears, to skew your average
Sweet manipulation there. But, all that work grades out as a fail.
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