If I had to guess, I don't think there will be a vote.

I think ALPA stays.

Carl

 

It seems that this is the majority view. Both sides are going to opposite corners and will come out shooting at the bell.

No wonder lawyers and courts stay so busy.

Carl

 

So that's what the "word is" eh.

Carl

 

No. Never.

Why?

I think DPA is a stupid idea. That's my angle.

 

This is only my opinion, but the entire issue certainly seems to be a personal battle for TC. The short time frame that I heard the website was affected has no bearing on the current status of the DPA. It's a drop in the bucket of time in light of the 4 1/2 years this circus has been going on. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it when I play the scenarios out to the end game. Even if:
1. The unnamed pilot were to apologize and make this go away, or
2. A new lawsuit goes forward against an individual pilot and the DPA attorney comes out with a victory and puts a fellow pilot in career jeopardy, or
3. A new lawsuit goes forward against an individual pilot and the individual pilot comes out the other end unscathed.

In none of these scenarios do I see the benefit for TC in the long run. It will do nothing to facilitate the DPA getting a vote and TC will always be "that guy". At this point, I'm not even sure TC dropping the whole thing would change the way he is viewed. This is just another debacle in a 4 1/2 year series of debacles. The only entity that keeps making out through all of this nonsense over the years is the attorney. There's not a facepalm gif big enough.

Absent TC dropping the whole thing, I generally agree with what I believe is Carl's sentiment on the current state of the issue though. If the unnamed pilot didn't do anything criminal and a lawsuit is filed, he should fight TC and take him to the cleaners in court while clearing his own name. If the unnamed pilot did do something criminal, he would be better served by seeking a settlement of the issue outside of the courts. If that means apologizing, then do it.

It's no different than the advice that would be given to a fellow pilot who did something boneheaded at work and is getting called in for serious discipline. Be honest and sincere, own it, apologize for it and swear that it'll never happen again. Hat in hand and all.

 

100% agree with you on that, Hillbilly!

 

Carl

Go back to the Crew Van news around Nov 18 I believe it was there that DPA stated that the FBI was involved. I do not have access to it anymore. Also in a post around that time you mentioned the FBI involvement as well. In post 8939 on page 894 of this thread you refered to the FBI investigation.

 

Good post. At this point TC is irrelevant at best and a pathetic cartoon character at worst. The DPA is done.

There is one scenario you didn't list though. The thermonuclear scenario. If it turns out the hacker is in fact a "DALPA operative" and he was no kidding working for the Special Committee, then our union is in a world of hurt.
Let's hope that's not the case.

 

No, they're not. They are still a divisive disruptive group. Until the organization shuts down, they are going to continue to divide the pilot group.

 

They will also take money out of every pilots pocket as they did in the last contract and will in the next. If you don't believe me DPA themselves stated that. They also for that reason stated they would shut down their efforts well before openers were exchaned on contract 2012 to insure that did not happen. So much for believe their own statements.