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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1752582)

No way. CAPA hamstrung the system by demanding that a separate and extremely expensive biometric system be put in place. Brake chatter might be able to speak on that more. ALPA (Moak) put in place an separate but similar system using CASS as one of his campaign promises. He had that done within months of him saying he would do it. It's an ALPA registered trademark. If there's one thing Moak said he would do and get done faster than the previous guys, who took 10 years to have a test in Baltimore, then KCM is something I use everyday and consider a job well done.

I understand that's the ALPA talking point, but it happens to be false. ALPA had a role later in the game and that has to be acknowledged. But to ignore the hard work done by IPA and CAPA, then claim all the credit for yourself is typical of ALPA's dishonorable methods.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Reroute (Post 1752610)

Get a different talking point.

KCM webpage:

“The KCM program was developed by Airlines for America (A4A) and the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), with approval and support of the TSA.”

Home

See above post.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1752660)

Since your whole goal is to get the moderators to close this thread like you've successfully done on 21 other threads

Carl,

More complete and utter BS. I have had one post pulled for political content. Much like the rest of your unsubstantiated assertions you seem to simply make stuff up.

Any moderator feel free to chime in and confirm this.

Please don't feed this troll.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1752673)

CAPA website

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In conjunction with the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l, TSA tested a sterile area access system called CrewPASS in 2008 and 2009. In June 2009, TSA announced Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS) would continue to operate at the test sites: Baltimore-Washington Thurgood Marshall International, Pittsburgh International, and Columbia (S.C.) Metropolitan airports.

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CAPA's long-standing goal has been to both encourage and facilitate the implementation and standardization of high-level authentication methods to positively verify the identity of all individuals who are authorized flight deck access on both passenger and all-cargo carriers.

Currently, airline pilots are screened over 2,000,000 times each month by the TSA. The “Implementation of the Recommendations to the 9/11 Commission Act of Aug. 2007”, provided legislative momentum with mandates to properly identify and expedite screening of crewmembers to meet an August 2010 program deadline. CAPA, SWAPA, SWA, Priva, TSA and BWI airport managers initiated “Secure Screen” as a joint 60-day pilot biometric ID test project. The Secure Screen “test” by all accounts from the TSA, vendor, airport managers and pilot participants was highly successful.

This year the Known Crewmember Program headed by the Air Transport Association (ATA) was approved for use by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). The earlier addition known as CrewPASS was tested at three east coast airports. This enhanced process adds a level of security above what we have today, but it does not meet the securest standard: a real-time, verifiable biometric process.

We are 100% in support of the Known Crewmember Program which not only raises the security level from its current level, but builds the infrastructure necessary for the addition of the real-time, verifiable biometric process that CAPA seeks. The House Aviation Subcommittee is seeking a requirement for biometrics on pilot's licenses and we believe that working together with the Subcommittee would result in a solution that would provide safer, more secure access to aircraft.

Where?

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1752669)

Again Alan, you're entitled to your opinions but not your own facts. Any more back and forth with you on this is just more moot court.

Typical Spackler response when you have no valid response.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1752669)

You initially tried to portray yourself as an honest broker just looking for facts, but most see you now as someone who's job here is to defend ALPA to your last breath.

Says the man with no agenda.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1752605)

I wouldn't be too smug.

DPA failed because Caplinger had poor judgment and suspect motives and wouldn't step aside.
Otherwise ALPA might be history right now.

That is the most accurate statement regarding DPA I've read to date.
I agree 100%!

Jerry or other DPA Update authors,

Please know that I can read and understand English. I've already read on the "other" website that the FPL myth has been debunked as a key stroke entry error by Delta and that the pilot will not get paid anywheres close to that amount.

I've now had time to read all the PDF files you attached and the attachment from UAL ALPA says they were specifically asked to do extra flying as they are in a competing airline alliance. It's almost like you didn't read the files you posted.

Can anyone explain how picking on a pilot for a clerical error in PBS is how DPA should support me? Is DPA going to "expose" the names of any pilot who has an error made, whether real or imagined? With all this drama and intrigue, this is starting to sound like Tanksley all over again.

I also think that pressuring new hires on probation to sign DPA cards is going too far. K?

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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1760775)

Getting involved with any union activity as a probie is looking for trouble.

Delta Pilots Association

ALPA has a huge conflict of interest with regional airlines. DALPA and UALPA don't sign their own CBAs. National does, and national can't sign insourcing CBAs that damage regional airlines otherwise it may face DFR liability.

Look at how successful APA is as a union! Take control of your representation! Vote in DPA!