How do you define propaganda? Something that conflicts with your non-reality based vision of things?

UPA no longer 'exists' and you all should stick a fork in DPA. I guess the majority of Delta pilots favor ALPA. Please tell us why these obvious facts are not so.

DPA's failed efforts are ironic, since Delta pilots control ALPA and thank goodness they do because they have done an outstanding job over the last four years. Thanks to Captain Moak et al for Unknown Crewmember, positive pattern bargained and less variant major airline compensation, FAR 117, minimum Part 121 pilot flight time and for building the most effective governmental affairs organization in ALPA or any other pilot union's history in the face of the foreign government subsidized airline threat.

Well done!

What is Unknown Crewmember?

Anyways, keep it up... keep alienating your fellow union members which keeps the cards coming in to the DPA. What we need coming into negotiations next year is more grandstanders like you ticking people off and bringing more cards into what should be a dead DPA. :rolleyes:

The likes of you are why they still continue to hang around, which is not helping things at all.

Oops. Meant Known Crewmember If I am a grandstander with 178 posts what does that make you with 13,000+ ? And so sensitive.:) Just pointing out a few facts that don't jib with the tired old, never good enough whining that continuously emanates from folks who usually have never done union work. If they had they would know it is not easy leading pilots.

The biggest threat we face is the government subsidized foreign carriers taking our flying, and make no mistake if we lose our most lucrative overseas flying the domino effect will be devastating for each and every U.S. airline pilot. Moak and company have done a tremendous job building a robust governmental affairs operation that was able to get the NAI waiver shot down. We need to keep the pressure on to get their full application denied and to address the violations of many of these bilateral open skies agreements.

Known Crewmember, FAR 117, minimum part 121 pilot flight times, and leading the way in positive pattern bargaining among the majors. Thanks DALPA. Well done!

Because they only got 5,800 cards at the peak, and now over 1,000 of those have expired. They got very close though and that's why Moak funded the Special Committee to destroy them.

Glad you're so thrilled to have ALPA representing you.

Carl

NAI is foreign government subsidized? A new factoid from flyt olive.

Carl,

Not sure where you got your numbers, but they failed. I see.

Many pilots filled out cards to vent. DPA couldn't even get it to a vote in which pilots would have had to more seriously consider the consequences. IOW not even close.

We have serious threats that require serious and proven leadership. Thankfully, the adults were reelected to ALPA leadership. It is time to support their efforts.

Didn't say they were. They posed a 'flags of convenience' threat like the one that devastated the merchant marine industry.

Emirates, Ethidad, Qatar et al are government subsidized.

Stating things that are so twisted and distorted that they are not recognizable as the truth to anyone but the propagandists themselves.

No, see above.

See previous post. You see the fact that ALPA escaped being decertified at Delta by a few percentage points as a ringing endorsement of ALPA among Delta pilots. It's that twisted view that makes some of your comments sound like party propaganda.

Delta pilots don't control ALPA. A4A controls ALPA.

KCM was started by UPS pilots and pushed through by CAPA. ALPA certainly did their part, but were relatively late to the party.

Total fail at pattern bargaining. Total fail at reducing pay variance

Total fail and cave in to A4A's "science based" approach to decreasing fatigue by increasing allowable working time.

Total fail and cave in to A4A. We wouldn't have the 1500 hour rule now were it not for the FAA's insistence. ALPA is still looking for ways to reduce it.

Some good, some very bad. See above.

Carl

Nonsense. You partner with your enemies when your interests align like they do against government subsidized foreign airlines and NAI. To not do so would be gross dereliction of duty. The other thing some pilots need to realize is that we are totally outgunned financially and politically against management. We need to pick our battles very carefully.



That is one way of looking at it. The other is that it never would have happened without ALPA coming to the table and getting it done. Moak deserves most of the credit for making it FINALLY happen.



The first point is a matter of opinion and the second is not. Sorry, but the big three contracts and even SWA's have never been less varied and with consolidation their is nobody dragging us down. Fortunately, the most profitable airline's pilot group will be leading the next round of bargaining.



What is not debatable is that A4A is not happy with the regs because it requires more pilots.



That is hilarious. The FAA's insistence? Kudos to the Colgan families and ALPA.

You have no idea why Delta pilots filled out their cards. None. Only individual pilots can speak to why they signed a card. Venting, is certainly not why I signed a card.

DPA's mistake was thinking they needed a lot more than 50% of pilots. They didn't IMO. Had they called for a vote, lots of folks who didn't even know about DPA would have voted to toss ALPA in my opinion. Without DPA's miscalculation, ALPA would have been voted out.

We do have serious threats, but those threats are having ALPA continue in a leadership role of pilot representation. As an ALPA member with no other choice, my hope is for the growth of the independents and CAPA. ALPA belongs to A4A and that's not going to change.

Carl