Jumpseat Etiquette
11-30-2010, 05:50 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
You are not the owner of the airplane or the airline. You may have the final authority, but it is not your property.
11-30-2010, 06:04 AM
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I had the opportunity over the Thanksgiving weekend to give many jumpseat rides to work and back home. We were full on almost every leg, so lots of stress for these guys and girls. These pilots flew everything from Dash-8s to B777s and all followed the protocol of checking in with the captain. It's not that hard, the most professional jumpseater was a FedEx pilot from Memphis who gave me a business card that said: On behalf of the FedEx ALPA pilots thank you for the ride!(bold thank you on the card). It also had info on the back of the card on how to request the jumpseat on FedEx . It was a nice touch and you could tell the guy was really thankful for the ride, as most are.
Remember: Jumpseating its a privilege, not a right.
Remember: Jumpseating its a privilege, not a right.
11-30-2010, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
At the end of the day if he/she doesn't like you for any reason, you don't ride on a jumpseat pass. And we wonder why captain's authority as well as this professional's standards have been completely emasculated.
Example: You are a babysitter. The baby is your full responsibility. Your job is to take care of the baby and return it at a time mutually agreed upon by the "owner" in a condition acceptable to that "owner". IT IS NOT YOUR BABY!
As I said in my previous post, I still check in regardless of my purpose on the airplane. You disagree with my opinion, so you go after my professional standards. One point for you.
11-30-2010, 06:31 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
If you are not going to sit in the front, does it really matter...Let me correct you...The cockpit jumpseat belongs to the captain....the empty seat in the back belongs to the CSA....let the control thing go...When i used to sit in the left seat, I only wanted the dude or preferably the dudette to check in.....everybody in the back is just another non-rev
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11-30-2010, 06:34 AM
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I've seen the "Don't bother me" as well as those who are grateful when I check in with them.
How's about posting the a-holes flight numbers who say "don't bother me" and we can police our own? Checking in with the cockpit is always a good idea IMO.
How's about posting the a-holes flight numbers who say "don't bother me" and we can police our own? Checking in with the cockpit is always a good idea IMO.
11-30-2010, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by soon2bfo
It would be good for all of the newbies at the regionals to understand and read this jumpseat guide. That being said I have had many mainline pilots in the back who never say a word to us up front in the rj's too. It goes both ways. There is no excuse for disregarding jumpseat etiquette but I dispense with the notion that a major pilot is less obligated to extend the same courtesy to a regional captain. Don't get me wrong, I wish I worked for a mainline operation but unfortunately they aren't hiring.
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11-30-2010, 06:39 AM
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Etiquette-wise, I always try to go up and say hello and thank the crew and CA very much for the ride but if the aircraft is full and you're lugging all your bags on board and there is a rush to get out on time and such, I believe there are instances where blocking the door and possibly annoying the crew aren't the best options and I usually just take a seat and get out of the way. I will, however, go up after seated and introduce myself as long as there is time and space to do so as I feel it's better to do such things at an appropriate time rather than not at all...IMHO
11-30-2010, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by weasil
I have had many, many mainline pilots over the years act annoyed that I was in the flight deck asking for a ride, when I had a seat in the back. One guy actually said "Why are you talking to me!" and it wasn't a question but an instruction to leave him alone.
How do you know that guy was a jumpseater anyway, perhaps he was traveling as a non-rev. Did you think to ask him? I was on a deadhead once in first class on United, when the Captain actually came back and berated me in front of the other passengers for not asking permission to ride as a jumpseater. I explained to him that I was traveling on a must-ride basis and that my company had purchased this ticket. It never even occurred to him that this was a possibility - he just assumed I was free loading.
Next time you have a pilot in uniform in the back who didn't stop by to ask permission to jumpseat, consider the possibility that perhaps he's not jumpseating!
How do you know that guy was a jumpseater anyway, perhaps he was traveling as a non-rev. Did you think to ask him? I was on a deadhead once in first class on United, when the Captain actually came back and berated me in front of the other passengers for not asking permission to ride as a jumpseater. I explained to him that I was traveling on a must-ride basis and that my company had purchased this ticket. It never even occurred to him that this was a possibility - he just assumed I was free loading.
Next time you have a pilot in uniform in the back who didn't stop by to ask permission to jumpseat, consider the possibility that perhaps he's not jumpseating!
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11-30-2010, 06:43 AM
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I have had my fill of guys getting on my airplane, riding to their destination and leaving without EVER making contact with me. Happened again over the weekend. The guy was a Regional pilot WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER! Rode from MSY to IAD in first class. When I asked him if checking in with the Captain was no longer "fashionable" he gave me some **** and bull about how the last guy had seemed "annoyed" when he checked in. I don't buy it.
The jumpseat belongs to the CAPTAIN, NOT customer service and it is COMMON COURTESY to check in. Besides it is REQUIRED by the FAA if you are truly acting as an Observer Member of the Crew. Enough said.
The jumpseat belongs to the CAPTAIN, NOT customer service and it is COMMON COURTESY to check in. Besides it is REQUIRED by the FAA if you are truly acting as an Observer Member of the Crew. Enough said.
11-30-2010, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
While you are correct that every jump-seater should check in with the Captain I think your response in this case could have been more effective. You put him on the spot with a sarcastic comment and weren't happy when he got defensive. Perhaps you would have had a better conversation with him if you'd have pointed out his mistake in a more respectful way and used it as an opportunity to educate him on jump-seat etiquette?
This is not rocket science - it's just common and professional courtesy.
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