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Old 12-09-2010 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bcrosier
But as has been said repeatedly - what is the point?
To attempt to screen, i.e. disgruntled pilots?


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In reality it's just window dressing,
Lots of stuff in this country of bureaucracy is window dressing. i.e. What cops do every day is window dressing (I was a cop). Does that mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater?

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and as such probably a violation of the sixth amendment (not that we're following that these days).
What is the right to a speedy and public trial have to do with this discussion?
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Old 12-09-2010 | 08:11 PM
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You have yet to appropriately illustrate how screening a disgruntled pilot with malicious intent beyond positive employment verification might actually prevent something from happening... no matter what seat that pilot occupies on the airplane.

All the tools are already on the airplane for a knowledgable pilot to do something tragic.


Screening simply looks for objects...
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Old 12-09-2010 | 08:24 PM
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Zapata, do you really think there is nothing beyond the metal detectors that can be used as weapon when you have access to the cockpit in flight as a pilot?

If you don't, then you need a couple of lessons in basic self defense.
If you do, then you are disagreeing with yourself.

I really don't know how to put it more simply.
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Old 12-09-2010 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You have yet to appropriately illustrate how screening a disgruntled pilot with malicious intent beyond positive employment verification might actually prevent something from happening... no matter what seat that pilot occupies on the airplane.

All the tools are already on the airplane for a knowledgable pilot to do something tragic.


Screening simply looks for objects...
Like spear guns and hammers?
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Old 12-09-2010 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hawkesaurus
Zapata, do you really think there is nothing beyond the metal detectors that can be used as weapon when you have access to the cockpit in flight as a pilot?

If you don't, then you need a couple of lessons in basic self defense.
If you do, then you are disagreeing with yourself.

I really don't know how to put it more simply.
No. But, not all pilots have access to the cockpit.....in case you haven't kept up with this thread.

I find your If A=B and B=C, therefore A=C approach too simplistic.
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Old 12-09-2010 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
No. But, not all pilots have access to the cockpit.....in case you haven't kept up with this thread.

I find your If A=B and B=C, therefore A=C approach too simplistic.


I really haven't, it just doesn't make sense to try. And ABC equals whatever is not exactly what I'm saying.

About not all pilots having access to the cockpit... you're saying a persons "trusted" status changes depending on what his duties are on board?
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Old 12-09-2010 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
Like spear guns and hammers?
he was carrying what was allowed, no?

just like the 9/11 hijackers actually- they carried nothing illegal on those airplanes.

if someone is resourceful enough, they will do it. which is exactly why our way of security will continue to fail. focus what resources we do have for now on the greatest perceivable threat, which is certainly not the ones already trust with control of the aircraft.
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Old 12-10-2010 | 05:30 AM
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Or a crash ax I think the tsa should ride along on all jumpseats to protect us



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Like spear guns and hammers?
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Old 12-10-2010 | 06:40 AM
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Or a crash ax I think the tsa should ride along on all jumpseats to protect us
Uh, no, because they get screened by their buds... They would have the easiest route to be able to hijack an aircraft... next to the caterers of course.
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Old 12-10-2010 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
No. But, not all pilots have access to the cockpit.....in case you haven't kept up with this thread.

I find your If A=B and B=C, therefore A=C approach too simplistic.
So you never answered my questions. If I have cockpit access and nefarious intentions, why would I need to sneak something past security on a jumpseat flight when I can just crash the plane at will on my next scheduled flight?! If I'm confirmed as actively employed as a pilot, no amount of screening could stop me from crashing a plane. So I fail to see your logic that screening is needed simply because I might be deadheading or jumpseating and not flying that leg.

We've been doing this screening for how many years now and stopped how many actively employed pilots? 0
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