Pilots Need to be Screened too
12-07-2010 | 08:00 PM
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Hoserpilot - I am ashamed that we treated our soldiers in such a way. Accept my appoligies as a US citizen.
PC has run amok.......when the very people that screen have no idea of how to do their job doesn't it defeat the purpose?
PC has run amok.......when the very people that screen have no idea of how to do their job doesn't it defeat the purpose?
12-07-2010 | 08:11 PM
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That has absolutely nothing to do with "PC". This BS is simply an an over inflated bureaucracy that is only interested in self-preservation.
12-07-2010 | 08:43 PM
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Keeping this dumb thread alive a little longer.......
As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the
following:
When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew out of Baghram
Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no
groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards.
Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to
stop at Indianapolis, Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the
Indiana National Guard. That's where the stupid started.
First, everyone was forced to get off the plane-even though the plane
wasn't refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than
let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to
a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a
male/female latrine.
It's probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons.
Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also
carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of
course, the weapons weren't loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo
well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.
The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload
all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it reinspected.
Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by
U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a
one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area,
the TSA decided not to reinspect our Cargo-just to inspect us again:
Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected,
re-inspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2 hours. Ok, whatever.
So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.
This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were
carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying
pistols.
So we're in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had
his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it
gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a
pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that
they're going to confiscate his nail clippers. The conversation went
something like this:
TSA Guy: You can't take those on the plane.
Soldier: What? I've had them since we left country.
TSA Guy: You're not suppose to have them.
Soldier: Why?
TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.
Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a
weapon. And I'm allowed to take it on.
TSA Guy: Yeah but you can't use it to take over the plane. You don't
have bullets.
Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?
TSA Guy: [awkward silence]
Me: Dude, just give him your damn nail clippers so we can get
out of here. I'll buy you a new set.
Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]
To top it off, the TSA demanded we all be swabbed for "explosive
residue" detection. Everyone failed, [go figure, we just came home from
a war zone], because we tested positive for "Gun Powder Residue". Who
is hiring these people?
This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233
people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine
guns-but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.
Can someone please tell me What happened to OUR country while
we were gone?
As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the
following:
When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew out of Baghram
Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no
groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards.
Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to
stop at Indianapolis, Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the
Indiana National Guard. That's where the stupid started.
First, everyone was forced to get off the plane-even though the plane
wasn't refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than
let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to
a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a
male/female latrine.
It's probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons.
Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also
carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of
course, the weapons weren't loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo
well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.
The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload
all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it reinspected.
Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by
U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a
one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area,
the TSA decided not to reinspect our Cargo-just to inspect us again:
Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected,
re-inspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2 hours. Ok, whatever.
So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.
This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were
carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying
pistols.
So we're in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had
his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it
gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a
pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that
they're going to confiscate his nail clippers. The conversation went
something like this:
TSA Guy: You can't take those on the plane.
Soldier: What? I've had them since we left country.
TSA Guy: You're not suppose to have them.
Soldier: Why?
TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.
Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a
weapon. And I'm allowed to take it on.
TSA Guy: Yeah but you can't use it to take over the plane. You don't
have bullets.
Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?
TSA Guy: [awkward silence]
Me: Dude, just give him your damn nail clippers so we can get
out of here. I'll buy you a new set.
Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]
To top it off, the TSA demanded we all be swabbed for "explosive
residue" detection. Everyone failed, [go figure, we just came home from
a war zone], because we tested positive for "Gun Powder Residue". Who
is hiring these people?
This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233
people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine
guns-but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.
Can someone please tell me What happened to OUR country while
we were gone?
WOW.
Thank you for your brave service to our country. I am sorry this idiocy occured to the men and women who stood up for our country. Sadly stupidity has been set loose while you were gone.
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12-08-2010 | 03:22 AM
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From: FAA 'Flight Check'
That is an internet story going around the web - not that it makes it untrue. With the stuff that is going on and the lack of common sense present it likely is a true story, but I think that many of you have taken it as hoserpilot's first hand account.
hoserpilot - if you are the originator of the story then I'm sorry you had to endure it. If you are sharing the story - thanks.
USMCFLYR
hoserpilot - if you are the originator of the story then I'm sorry you had to endure it. If you are sharing the story - thanks.
USMCFLYR
12-08-2010 | 04:27 AM
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12-08-2010 | 05:25 AM
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From: Didactic Synthetic Aviation Experience Provider
12-08-2010 | 05:26 AM
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From: maddoggy dog
Wish I could take credit for being a proud member of the armed forces. I'm just a lowly but grateful civilian. This was an email forwarded to me that is making the rounds on the web. A little TSA bashing is always fun. I'm sorry that my post was misleading and mean no disrespect to our military. It was just a copy and paste from an email.
12-08-2010 | 06:44 AM
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From: Permanently scarred
Just because you, or anyone else doesn't agree with me most of the time doesn't make me a default contrarian or that I'm trying to be "that guy"
. I'm not here to win yours or anyone else's approval. I will stand behind every post for which I have not retracted, admitted being wrong or apologized.
. I'm not here to win yours or anyone else's approval. I will stand behind every post for which I have not retracted, admitted being wrong or apologized.
12-08-2010 | 07:58 AM
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That depends if you're talking about racial profiling vs behavioral profiling.
The lack of racial profiling ultimately has nothing to do with PC. It is just that it is proven ineffective.
It is the lack of intelligent behavioral profiling that contributes to the problems.
The lack of racial profiling ultimately has nothing to do with PC. It is just that it is proven ineffective.
It is the lack of intelligent behavioral profiling that contributes to the problems.
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