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Aloha 01-03-2011 10:56 AM


Yeah, we're looking forward to that stuff too but we're genuinely MOST looking forward to a much more pleasant working environment, so quit trying to tie the two together for your own SLI leverage.


pleasant working environment? You will just trade a hostile work environment with your management with a hostile work environment with our employees. That's all. Take a look at US Air..... not a lot of fun to work there.

Greed will kill this thing....... as AT treis to grab Seniority, SWAPA throws them "spirit parties" in ATL, the SWAPA pilots are watching whats left of the culture die and getting more and more mad.

The concept of a fair SLI is when everyone is mad (so I've been told) - the result - a bunch of mad people. It won't be a pleasant working environment when we are ****ed off. Sorry to say it.

-Aloha

jetpilot4u 01-03-2011 11:08 AM

Aloha,

As a partaker in many cockpit discussions about this subject.... I'm also sorry to say that you're right. If the Air Tran guys get greedy.... our culture will be shot.

slowplay 01-03-2011 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by jetpilot4u (Post 924252)
Aloha,

As a partaker in many cockpit discussions about this subject.... I'm also sorry to say that you're right. If the Air Tran guys get greedy.... our culture will be shot.

And if the SWA guys stay arrogant and unrealistic...:rolleyes:

Gotta show some LUV, man!:)

Schwanker 01-03-2011 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by jetpilot4u (Post 924252)
Aloha,

As a partaker in many cockpit discussions about this subject.... I'm also sorry to say that you're right. If the Air Tran guys get greedy.... our culture will be shot.

What do you mean by greedy? Didn't AT nearly triple there operation in recent years?? This is leading to very quick upgrades and great career expectations. Hopefully they don't push to staple too many SWA FO's! That may appear greedy to some!:eek:

RCD73 01-03-2011 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by jetpilot4u (Post 924239)
Won't be much 1,2,3ing together if this SLI goes the wrong way


I'll file your opinion under; 'A fear laden view from a person with 3 years experience as an airline pilot. At the bottom of the Southwest seniority list'.

The fastest way to destroy any culture is the attitude you exhibited in your post.

Fishfreighter 01-03-2011 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by jetpilot4u (Post 924252)
If the Air Tran guys get greedy.... our culture will be shot.

Guess what? SWA pilots trying to staple AAI pilots fits the definition of greed as well.

1Seat 1Engine 01-03-2011 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 924286)
What do you mean by greedy? Didn't AT nearly triple there operation in recent years?? This is leading to very quick upgrades and great career expectations. Hopefully they don't push to staple too many SWA FO's! That may appear greedy to some!:eek:

And if SWA pilots had been working for AT wages in the same period??? And if SWA hadn't been hoarding cash for an acquisition??? It would have been a pretty different market to compete in.

AT pilots are going to get a huge raise. They're going to get better work rules. They're going to have reduced commutes. They're not going to have to go on strike to get a new contract. Their union dues are going to be reduced. They're much younger than most of the guys on the SWAPA list so over time, retirements will help their career more than the SWA pilots.

What are they willing to give up for all that? Anything?

1Seat 1Engine 01-03-2011 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Fishfreighter (Post 924245)
So, to paraphrase, depending on your current status (AAI or SWA) its either DoH or Staple. And if it doesn't go that way, you're going to be an uptight screw for the rest of your career.

Wow. Just wow.

Your paraphrasing is inflammatory. Go Wow yourself. You've obviously already decided who you like in this fight.

SteelHorseFlyer 01-03-2011 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 924139)
SteelHorseFlyer, oh no you didn't start discussing SLI expectations..... :-)

Seriously though, I'm axin' you nicely to abide by our MEC's request and leave all that to the two MCs. Pretty please with cherry on top. Thanx man.

Sorry, I'll go to my corner and shut up now... ;)

cencal83406 01-03-2011 04:58 PM

Wow... USAir 2.0 in the making. Pay rates and work rules should have no bearing on career expectations. Same equipment... hope the arbitrator fairly integrates y'all.


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