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09-06-2006 | 03:41 PM

ChrisH

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UPS, SWA, FedEx Contracts & Industry.

What will the new contracts that UPS, SWA, and FedEx just received, do for the legacy carriers/industry, once they emerge from bankruptcy? Will it put pressure on them to increase pay, once they begin earning a consistant profit? I am sure management, and pilots have to be looking at those new contracts closely.

09-06-2006 | 03:50 PM

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Who knows but time will tell. Let's hope it get's better for all of them.]

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09-06-2006 | 04:02 PM

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I think you should ask any Delta pilot. No offense to anybody, I have a few good friends working for Big D.

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09-07-2006 | 04:21 AM

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What will the new contracts that UPS, SWA, and FedEx just received,

Bold type added for clarity. SWA's CBA just became ammendable and we just started negotions this month. I have no expectation of a new contract until at least next summer.

09-07-2006 | 05:21 AM

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As I understand it, Delta makes a profit and they get a pay increase.

09-07-2006 | 10:15 AM

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Just a few years ago, when the pax carriers were doing well, FDX management tried to tell us that our pay should be compared with the likes of UPS and ABX and not DAL, AA, UAL, etc. because our business was fundamentally different from flying passengers. We disagreed and kept the pressure on until we got where we are (where we hope to be?) now.

I predict that management at the legacy carriers will soon say that the freight business is different and should not be compared to their pilot pay rates. Don't give in.

09-07-2006 | 10:34 AM

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They probably will, but in either case, they are pilots flying for an airline, just one flying boxes, and one flying passengers. If a box burns in a crash, not a big deal, but if lives are in the back, seems management should realize that the passenger carrying pilots deserve at least as much.

I understand SWA just received a pay bump, along with United, American, and World. Hopefully the other airline will follow.

09-07-2006 | 01:41 PM

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If a box burns in a crash, not a big deal, but if lives are in the back, seems management should realize that the passenger carrying pilots deserve at least as much.

WHAT???? if a box burns then the pilots probably do to...no big deal???? i guess the lives of cargo pilots don't mean squat?...jeesh

09-07-2006 | 01:48 PM

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............. If a box burns in a crash, not a big deal, but if lives are in the back, seems management should realize that the passenger carrying pilots deserve at least as much..............

ChrisH, I can't tell whether your one of the "boys" here or just another "wannabe", but you deserve a serious spanking from the cargo crowd with that comment/attitude. We've for years lived under (pay and work rules) the pax carriers because of that prevailing attitude from (cargo) mgts.
I hope the legacy guy's get thier pay and benefits back on parity with pre 9/11 rates, but I will always believe that I'm worth as much even if my "passengers" are less valuable than (pax carriers).

09-07-2006 | 01:59 PM

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WHAT???? if a box burns then the pilots probably do to...no big deal???? i guess the lives of cargo pilots don't mean squat?...jeesh

LOL, I didn't mean it like that, that came out way wrong, and I apologize. My point was that 100 lives are worth more than 100 boxes. That isn't to belittle the UPS and FedEx guys. They deserve everything they get. But airline management can't use the business being different as an excuse. They deserve just as much as the FedEx and UPS guys.

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