AA recalls
06-07-2011 | 12:04 PM
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That's been going on for sometime now. The only viable economic aircraft for the near future in the seat range AA wants is the Embraer 195. My guess is an acquisition/merger with Jet Blue and an E-195 order by AMR.
Whether the 195's would go to AA mainline or JB is the wildcard. Those aircraft (in whomever's hands) would take a lot of the former AA flying that Eagle is now doing with the smaller (and economically dead) Embraer's. If AMR and the APA are really as cozy as the claims, then I'd think those aircraft would go to AA and the Jet Blue operation would either be folded into AA or operated as a single pilot seniority list (AKA "airline within an airline").
Let's see if the very near future has any bombshells.
Whether the 195's would go to AA mainline or JB is the wildcard. Those aircraft (in whomever's hands) would take a lot of the former AA flying that Eagle is now doing with the smaller (and economically dead) Embraer's. If AMR and the APA are really as cozy as the claims, then I'd think those aircraft would go to AA and the Jet Blue operation would either be folded into AA or operated as a single pilot seniority list (AKA "airline within an airline").
Let's see if the very near future has any bombshells.
06-07-2011 | 12:07 PM
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That's what I'd do of I were one.......defer. With the current staffing levels and what has to be the worst reserve system in the industry (Eagle's was better and that was poor), I'd take a personal LOA right now if they'd give it to me.
Unless a furloughee absolutely, positively needs the job, I'd coast elsewhere until as big a cushion under me was possible and a better reserve system (and staffing) was in place.
Unless a furloughee absolutely, positively needs the job, I'd coast elsewhere until as big a cushion under me was possible and a better reserve system (and staffing) was in place.
06-07-2011 | 12:53 PM
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Hi, long time reader first time poster.
-I just have to add my 2 cents about a possible B6 buyout (that what it would be!!) I will not say it not happen, but it will not happen right now. Here are my arguments for why it will not happen:
1) To many slots will have to be divested. B6 has around 150 slots and I could see AMR having to give up as much as 30% of those slots. Especially the ones that serve NY cities.
2) No widebody aircraft, as it is if AA wants to start a new international route they have to stop one that is currently being flown. AKA ORD-FRA, until AA gets a few extra widebodies it not be cost effective.
3) Speaking of costs, the second AMR buys B6 and cost advantage B6 has in any market goes right out the door.
-Thanks for reading
-I just have to add my 2 cents about a possible B6 buyout (that what it would be!!) I will not say it not happen, but it will not happen right now. Here are my arguments for why it will not happen:
1) To many slots will have to be divested. B6 has around 150 slots and I could see AMR having to give up as much as 30% of those slots. Especially the ones that serve NY cities.
2) No widebody aircraft, as it is if AA wants to start a new international route they have to stop one that is currently being flown. AKA ORD-FRA, until AA gets a few extra widebodies it not be cost effective.
3) Speaking of costs, the second AMR buys B6 and cost advantage B6 has in any market goes right out the door.
-Thanks for reading
06-07-2011 | 01:08 PM
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Hi, long time reader first time poster.
-I just have to add my 2 cents about a possible B6 buyout (that what it would be!!) I will not say it not happen, but it will not happen right now. Here are my arguments for why it will not happen:
1) To many slots will have to be divested. B6 has around 150 slots and I could see AMR having to give up as much as 30% of those slots. Especially the ones that serve NY cities.
2) No widebody aircraft, as it is if AA wants to start a new international route they have to stop one that is currently being flown. AKA ORD-FRA, until AA gets a few extra widebodies it not be cost effective.
3) Speaking of costs, the second AMR buys B6 and cost advantage B6 has in any market goes right out the door.
-Thanks for reading
-I just have to add my 2 cents about a possible B6 buyout (that what it would be!!) I will not say it not happen, but it will not happen right now. Here are my arguments for why it will not happen:
1) To many slots will have to be divested. B6 has around 150 slots and I could see AMR having to give up as much as 30% of those slots. Especially the ones that serve NY cities.
2) No widebody aircraft, as it is if AA wants to start a new international route they have to stop one that is currently being flown. AKA ORD-FRA, until AA gets a few extra widebodies it not be cost effective.
3) Speaking of costs, the second AMR buys B6 and cost advantage B6 has in any market goes right out the door.
-Thanks for reading
If AMR were concerned another suitor would acquire JB for strategic reasons (including hamstringing AA), they may be forced to make a defensive move. At any rate, would AA have to give up slots if AMR were to purchase JB outright or a controlling stake with future options if JB were to remain a seperate carrier for now ?
How many slots does DL have at JFK vs. AA with and without a JB inclusion ?
Wouldn't surprise me to see an AA order for E-195's first, primarily ro replace AA S-80 and Eagle ERJ flying (who know's.......maybe this week ?) and then a formal move on JB.
06-07-2011 | 02:08 PM
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Three months from now we'll have the answer as to what AA's recall capacity really is.
06-07-2011 | 03:14 PM
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It is also interesting to note that DAL will have over 51% of LGA slots if their slot swap passes (seems like the DOT will allow it now). I wonder what % of JFK slots a combined AA+JB would have? I'd guess not much more than 50%.
06-07-2011 | 03:54 PM
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I may be wrong but I was under the impression that JetBlue already has 50% of JFK ALONE! Anyone have an exact figure?
06-07-2011 | 05:15 PM
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Good question- according to wikipedia JB has 41% of the traffic and AA has 15%. of course this doesn't indicate how many slots they use, but I'm trying to find a number.
06-07-2011 | 05:27 PM
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What I dont get with AMR, is they need a solution to this scope stuff, and Eagle. It seems easy to me that both sides just give up a little, and that would be to get 100 seat jets and put them on the AA side with AA pilots, and for each 100 seat, Eagle gets a 70 seat. It seems to be the only win/win, but I guess that might be too logical.
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