I don't understand why your union restricts jump seats to only one person for MES, 9E, 9L pilots. We take tons of your guys to and from work all the time and we never limit you guys. That is until today! Word is that we will not take any AA jump seaters if we already have a jump seater regardless of how may open seats in the back. Eagle pilots don't worry you are not included in these new rules.

 

How many forums do you plan of *****ing on?

 

Not sure of the veracity of your information, but when it comes to jumpseat wars, there are no winners. Tit-for-tat on this issue will only result in just as many of your pilots left holding their ****'s at the gate as AA pilots.

Perhaps someone will have more facts, before throwing a grenade on this.

 

This is **official** word from your union or airlines?
I'm not even an airline guy and I know how bad jump-seat tit-for-tat is, and as said above - no one wins and people just trying to get to/from work are left holding the bags.

Before this gets into rumor mill mud-slinging, can you supply some sort of factual data to support this contention - AA's and/or your airline's position stated above?

USMCFLYR

 

Stop right there, no need to read more. You actually think it's OUR UNION that restricts us from carrying more?

OUR UNION would love to carry as many as there are open seats - but OUR UNION does not own the jumpseat, AMR does. We (APA) are blue in the face from asking our company to relent on this issue. Our CAs do EVERYTHING they can to get as many on board. Given that we are in the midst of heated negotiations for the most important contract of our career, two things ain't happening: 1) the company will attempt to extract AS MUCH as they can in return from unlimited jumpseaters, and b) APA's mission right now is to secure the most important things out of negotiations - PAY, SCOPE and WORK RULES. Unlimited jumpseats is probably pretty far down the list right now, but nevertheless very important for us. We WILL get to it, hands down. We just need to get the rest of the stuff in order.

Please be patient as we are trying to raise the bar for everyone today in the form of an industry leading contract. In the meantime we are very appreciative of the rides on your airlines, and we do EVERYTHING we can within our (AMR-limited) power to accommodate as many of you as we can.

Thanks for your understanding - PLEASE don't turn this into a jumpseat war. Everyone loses then.
73

 

Thanks AA73 for being so understanding of our misguided Mesaba brother here... No such official communication has been put out by the MECs at any of the 3 PNCL Corp airlines. We continue to take AA pilots on an unlimited basis.

 

All AA are welcome in my cockpit.

 

Being but a lowly FO it isn't my call when they show up but I see no reason anybody I've flown with would deny a js'er from any company as long as they were approved and following the rules, nor would I when I reach the left seat. Helping our own get to and from work is something we need to protect, not leverage against one another.

Best of luck to the AA pilots in your negotiations.

 

Our XJ union did in fact state today that we will have the same agreement that AA has with us, something like only one offline jumpseater. To be honest, I am baffled as to why we would do this. The union stated clearly that AA pilots have been fighting management about this rule, so I dont know why we need to feel like its our job to squeeze AA management by denying AA guys a ride to work
I'm not a captain, but I would strongly suggest to mine that we take any and all jumpseaters. Nobody wins when we punish people for something that they didn't do.

My apologies to the AA guys...

 

The priority must be the issue, I guess.

For now, the golden rule is usually still in effect at most carriers - treat the APA pilots the way that you would want to be treated - unlimited access on all fights. Hopefully AA/APA will reciprocate in the future.