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Old 05-28-2011 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
US Air is doing this because they don't have a viable business plan staying the way they are. In my view this is the first step in a controlled fragmentation of the airline. It is almost impossible for them to be bought as a whole due to the labor situation, so many think they will get chopped up, bit by bit, until there is nothing left.

Southwest has to have a culture change. Their previous business model was based on extremely low costs and finding underused airports to serve large metropolitan areas. Now their costs have crept up and there are only so many Baltimores and Providences around. They have to change to attract higher fare customers to increase their revenue. That means cracking into markets like New York, Chicago, etc. They already have a pretty big operation in Midway.

Note: This is not Southwest bashing, this is the business model that Southwest management talks about constantly. I did not make this up.
Nice username. My dad has several Alfas one of which is a 1956 1900 CSS 3-window coupe. I had a chance to go on a race track as the passenger in it, loads o' fun. Waaaay out of my price range. Back to topic -

US Airways : I agree. If US doesn't get an identity they won't make it in the long run. I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon though, at least I hope not, baring a merger.

Southwest : Southwest seems to know their business plan is poor in the long term. Oil may be overpriced now, but at some point it will go up and stay up. When that happens Southwests core customer will no longer be able to afford to fly, unless they or the airline is government subsidized.

Doug Parker : Always amusing how when it comes to employee pay US is a struggling minor player, but when it comes to Parker's compensation, look out we're a fortune 500 major airline. What is annoying is when asked about his salary he always quotes base salary. I can quote a chapter's worth on share-based compensation, since I'm getting a second degree in accounting. However, I don't remember being taught while getting my management degree that you have to treat the employee group like idiots. My school must not have been as good We could do a lot worse though as far as CEOs go
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Old 05-29-2011 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tab Flyer
Delta actually does not need to buy anyone on the west coast. Just purchase the Saudia MD90s, establish an LAX category and running those twenty-five or so hulls up and down the west coast using existing gates and personnel. Use a rational schedule between city pairs to join our customers with Delta flights. Also supplement the MD90s with other fleet types here and there. the cost at $10 mil/frame, $250 mil total.

Let AA or SWA deal with the merger issues and costs.
I sure like the way you think, but Delta management obviously prefers to outsource this flying and make some marginal profit. Delta wants to avoid competition which would instantly result in this flying being unprofitable. Delta wants to avoid capital expenditures and risk.

Mergers always look cheaper than they turn out to be. With a stock swap the only immediate costs are all the attorneys and management time (which the players profit from tremendously). The real benefit to the merger is growing without having to compete for that revenue.

Delta (and the other carriers) will continue the cycle of merging and shrinking as long as they can. It takes an irrational player, like Virgin America, or Southwest back when they were "nuts" and proud of it, to actually put up a fight in this mature and saturated market.

Remember, Delta fought a war of attrition with Val-U-Jet / AirTran in Atlanta. The record shows Delta went bankrupt and damn near insolvent. Southwest now has 1/3 of the gates in Atlanta.

Crystal ball says we'll keep doing what we have been doing ... merge & shrink to the most profitable core of what we acquire. Use the merger process to capture revenue and grow without capital expenditure. (ALPA is VERY SMART to have learned how to capitalize on the process).
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Old 05-29-2011 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Remember, Delta fought a war of attrition with Val-U-Jet / AirTran in Atlanta. The record shows Delta went bankrupt and damn near insolvent. Southwest now has 1/3 of the gates in Atlanta.
True, but Delta now has a better airline and a lot less pensions to fund.
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Old 05-29-2011 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
True, but Delta now has a better airline and a lot less pensions to fund.
I wish that were true. As a reminder, the only pilot group to lose their pension was the pre-merger Delta guys. Everyone else kept theirs. Delta still has huge pension obligations.
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Old 05-29-2011 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I wish that were true. As a reminder, the only pilot group to lose their pension was the pre-merger Delta guys. Everyone else kept theirs. Delta still has huge pension obligations.
But it is true. If Delta still had their pensions, & NWA came to the merger with theirs then Delta would have WAY more pension obligation.
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Old 05-29-2011 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
But it is true. If Delta still had their pensions, & NWA came to the merger with theirs then Delta would have WAY more pension obligation.
Johnso, perhaps you are unaware, that all Delta employees still have their pensions.... except the pilots. So, with ~70,000 employees, all but about 7,000 still have a defined benefit pension, with its huge funding obligation.
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Old 05-29-2011 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
So, with ~70,000 employees, all but about 7,000 still have a defined benefit pension, with its huge funding obligation.
I thought they had defined contribution pensions. That's what my wife, a FA, has.
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Old 05-29-2011 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
I thought they had defined contribution pensions. That's what my wife, a FA, has.
Assuming she was hired prior to their defined benefit plan freeze (probably around the time DAL entered bankruptcy), she has both.
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Old 05-29-2011 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Johnso, perhaps you are unaware, that all Delta employees still have their pensions.... except the pilots. So, with ~70,000 employees, all but about 7,000 still have a defined benefit pension, with its huge funding obligation.
I most certainly was NOT aware of that. Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 05-29-2011 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
I thought they had defined contribution pensions. That's what my wife, a FA, has.
...and for the 1000th time stated on this forum: all fNWA pilots did not keep their pension. It's actually a small percentage of fNWA pilots.
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