MEL Balancing
05-29-2011 | 11:02 AM
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Just read it. I see what your saying. But its typically wordy, and I could easily see one fed saying that a pilot may be able to accomplish whats listed next to the (M) and then another fed saying "yea, no."
05-29-2011 | 11:11 AM
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So, now that we've explained it so everybody understands the question correctly...
whose airlines are having pilots do the the mechanics jobs? What did you get for the change of working conditions? How was it negotiated?
it is my understanding that at our owned regional, the company just implemented this new duty without any negotiations whatsoever. Removed the duty from one employee group (mechanics) and implemented it on the pilots.
So, what other airlines do it; how was it implemented, and what did you get for it?
whose airlines are having pilots do the the mechanics jobs? What did you get for the change of working conditions? How was it negotiated?
it is my understanding that at our owned regional, the company just implemented this new duty without any negotiations whatsoever. Removed the duty from one employee group (mechanics) and implemented it on the pilots.
So, what other airlines do it; how was it implemented, and what did you get for it?
05-29-2011 | 12:27 PM
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It is very specific what items are able to be flight crew placarded and what aren't at DL. It breaks it down to what you can always placard, what you can placard at a non-mx station, and what you always have to have mechanic for.
It was similar but not as specific at Pinnacle.
So if a light or something burned out at an outstation, you had to call a wrench out? That's pretty inefficient. It all boils down to what is fed approved in your MEL. If you always have to have a wrench, don't let them push you. Know your responsibility and hold them to it.
It was similar but not as specific at Pinnacle.
So if a light or something burned out at an outstation, you had to call a wrench out? That's pretty inefficient. It all boils down to what is fed approved in your MEL. If you always have to have a wrench, don't let them push you. Know your responsibility and hold them to it.
05-29-2011 | 12:43 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Pilots can make maintenance deferrals with dispatcher concurrence and continue operations.
The line is pretty easy to see. Pilots can not use tools. Pilots can not be forced into using abnormal checklists. Supplemental and expanded checklists are OK.
Master MEL's are created by the manufacturer. The FAA signs off on the MEL.
The Captain is the last guarantor of airworthiness and safety of flight. If you are the Captain and don't want to do it, don't. ... If you are the first officer, raise your concern, then do your job.
The line is pretty easy to see. Pilots can not use tools. Pilots can not be forced into using abnormal checklists. Supplemental and expanded checklists are OK.
Master MEL's are created by the manufacturer. The FAA signs off on the MEL.
The Captain is the last guarantor of airworthiness and safety of flight. If you are the Captain and don't want to do it, don't. ... If you are the first officer, raise your concern, then do your job.
05-29-2011 | 12:47 PM
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05-29-2011 | 01:05 PM
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It is very specific what items are able to be flight crew placarded and what aren't at DL. It breaks it down to what you can always placard, what you can placard at a non-mx station, and what you always have to have mechanic for.
It was similar but not as specific at Pinnacle.
So if a light or something burned out at an outstation, you had to call a wrench out? That's pretty inefficient. It all boils down to what is fed approved in your MEL. If you always have to have a wrench, don't let them push you. Know your responsibility and hold them to it.
It was similar but not as specific at Pinnacle.
So if a light or something burned out at an outstation, you had to call a wrench out? That's pretty inefficient. It all boils down to what is fed approved in your MEL. If you always have to have a wrench, don't let them push you. Know your responsibility and hold them to it.
05-29-2011 | 01:09 PM
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It's a standard deferral and subject to the repair period applicable to the MEL if the placard is allowed.
05-29-2011 | 02:38 PM
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What did you guys get for it? They have our regional now doing that type of MEL balancing, where they get an MOC authorization number, enter the MEL deferal and start the clock on the repair depending on what category the item is. I'm hearing they're being alloowd to crew placardmand balance things like the Fadecs and stuff that really should be looked at by a MX person. I can see placarding until it makes it to a mx base, but writing something up and baancing the entry for something that may go 120 days before getting a mx look-see sounds a bit much...
so, who else is balancing out their own write-ups?
05-29-2011 | 02:43 PM
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What did you guys get for it? They have our regional now doing that type of MEL balancing, where they get an MOC authorization number, enter the MEL deferal and start the clock on the repair depending on what category the item is. I'm hearing they're being alloowd to crew placardmand balance things like the Fadecs and stuff that really should be looked at by a MX person. I can see placarding until it makes it to a mx base, but writing something up and baancing the entry for something that may go 120 days before getting a mx look-see sounds a bit much...
so, who else is balancing out their own write-ups?
so, who else is balancing out their own write-ups?
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