Operation Orange?
07-03-2011 | 05:18 AM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20,871
Likes: 189
Let’s set the clock back few years.
Was it really a coincidence how the majors, at the same time, terminated their retirement plans, and cut pay and benefits?
Imagine if all pilots from every airline round the county formed one national union or association. Also imagine if all pilots of this “imaginary single national union” got wind of the erosion of pay, benefits, terms and conditions. Would the turn of events have been different if every pilot who was a member of this imaginary national union told their employers to go $hit in their hats at the suggestion of pay and benefit cuts?
With that being said, would this AA pilot be handing out leaflets?
Was it really a coincidence how the majors, at the same time, terminated their retirement plans, and cut pay and benefits?
Imagine if all pilots from every airline round the county formed one national union or association. Also imagine if all pilots of this “imaginary single national union” got wind of the erosion of pay, benefits, terms and conditions. Would the turn of events have been different if every pilot who was a member of this imaginary national union told their employers to go $hit in their hats at the suggestion of pay and benefit cuts?
With that being said, would this AA pilot be handing out leaflets?
Sadly as the information in the orange website points out the RLA prohibits exactly what you are suggesting. That is why ALPA is a association not a national union. The RLA is the biggest single threat to the long term viability of any Airline pilots job. Its being used in ways never intended when airlines came under its umbrella to abuse all the employees in this industry.
07-03-2011 | 08:18 AM
#12
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
Likes: 0
From: 747-400 Captain
07-03-2011 | 05:34 PM
#14
Banned
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 562
Likes: 0
07-03-2011 | 09:27 PM
#15
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
As someone who is barely clinging to this industry, I hope this could change my outlook. I am a 135 pilot that is getting tired of the stress that this job puts on my family life. Something has to give, and I am afraid it will be that I may have to look outside of this profession to give my family the quality of life that we all want. I don't know where to look, but I also can't see how this profession can keep my family together the way it is now. Let's hope Operation Orange can give us all some kind of hope.
07-04-2011 | 08:30 AM
#18
(retired)
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
From: Old, retired, healthy, debt-free, liquid
Not go to work...outside the auspices of the RLA...on an individual basis, ie...fall on your individual sword.
The predicted response will be, "Yeah, but not if we did it all at once, together." Okay, you first...
As much as many don't care for elements of the RLA, we're still stuck with it. For those in a union environment, operating outside of it is strictly illegal and individually, one would be "toast."
A big "pair" would certainly make you the stuff of legend similar to the Eastern DC9 captain who parked the airplane, never to return about 25 years ago. However, you wouldn't gain much from it except short-term "satisfaction." And that would fade quickly.
Safe money has it that there is already a significant number wondering, "What DC9 captain?" The "fame" simply wouldn't last, nor would it be meaningful.
The predicted response will be, "Yeah, but not if we did it all at once, together." Okay, you first...
As much as many don't care for elements of the RLA, we're still stuck with it. For those in a union environment, operating outside of it is strictly illegal and individually, one would be "toast."
A big "pair" would certainly make you the stuff of legend similar to the Eastern DC9 captain who parked the airplane, never to return about 25 years ago. However, you wouldn't gain much from it except short-term "satisfaction." And that would fade quickly.
Safe money has it that there is already a significant number wondering, "What DC9 captain?" The "fame" simply wouldn't last, nor would it be meaningful.
Last edited by Old UCAL CA; 07-04-2011 at 09:47 AM.
07-04-2011 | 09:49 AM
#19
Banned
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 798
Likes: 0
From: 757 Capt
Not go to work...outside the auspices of the RLA...on an individual basis, ie...fall on your individual sword.
The predicted response will be, "Yeah, but not if we did it all at once, together." Okay, you first...
As much as many don't care for elements of the RLA, we're still stuck with it. For those in a union environment, operating outside of it is strictly illegal and individually, one would be "toast."
A big "pair" would certainly make you the stuff of legend similar to the Eastern DC9 captain who parked the airplane never to return about 25 years ago. However, you wouldn't gain much from it except short-term "satisfaction." And that would fade quickly.
Safe money has it that there is already a significant number wondering, "What DC9 captain?" The "fame" simply wouldn't last, nor would it be meaningful.
The predicted response will be, "Yeah, but not if we did it all at once, together." Okay, you first...
As much as many don't care for elements of the RLA, we're still stuck with it. For those in a union environment, operating outside of it is strictly illegal and individually, one would be "toast."
A big "pair" would certainly make you the stuff of legend similar to the Eastern DC9 captain who parked the airplane never to return about 25 years ago. However, you wouldn't gain much from it except short-term "satisfaction." And that would fade quickly.
Safe money has it that there is already a significant number wondering, "What DC9 captain?" The "fame" simply wouldn't last, nor would it be meaningful.
Since you are a self-described "old guy", maybe you'd be willing to admit that your generation's concept of how this should work hasn't served us very well (collectively).
PIPE
07-04-2011 | 10:38 AM
#20
(retired)
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
From: Old, retired, healthy, debt-free, liquid
Well, old guy......I assume you're aware that pretty much every bit of the union movement in this country has it's roots in people with big ba!!s, who took big individual risks, and counted on the guy next to them to jump at the same time. Not to mention, lots of laws got broken in the process. You seem not to understand unionism.
Since you are a self-described "old guy", maybe you'd be willing to admit that your generation's concept of how this should work hasn't served us very well (collectively).
PIPE
Since you are a self-described "old guy", maybe you'd be willing to admit that your generation's concept of how this should work hasn't served us very well (collectively).
PIPE
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
fdxbusdriver
Cargo
2
02-22-2009 08:32 PM
