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Razor 08-17-2011 11:12 AM

DAL: iPubs
 
If you have an iPad and are interested in an easy way to keep your entire Delta pubs library updated and current with the push of a single button, visit the iPubs home page to get started. (User name and password info on the DALPA Computer forum) It's a free service started by a Delta pilot (not me) to help Delta folks. The process is pretty straight forward and all the instructions are posted to get you going. You will need the GoodReader app which is $5 well spent.

Several of the fleets are up and running but still looking for people to volunteer to head up the 764, 747, DC9, 320 and 330 fleets.

acl65pilot 08-17-2011 11:49 AM

I have been impressed with it.

georgetg 08-17-2011 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1039948)
If you have an iPad and are interested in an easy way to keep your entire Delta pubs library updated and current with the push of a single button, visit the iPubs home page to get started. (User name and password info on the DALPA Computer forum) It's a free service started by a Delta pilot (not me) to help Delta folks. The process is pretty straight forward and all the instructions are posted to get you going. You will need the GoodReader app which is $5 well spent.

Several of the fleets are up and running but still looking for people to volunteer to head up the 764, 747, DC9, 320 and 330 fleets.

Nothing groundbreaking IT wise, but when it all comes together it's like "magic."

Push sync and you are up to date with everything you need for training recurrent or on the line. I just hope the official solution works as well...

Cheers
George

iaflyer 08-17-2011 12:19 PM

How much space does all the PDFs take up for the iPubs? Is it enough to be noticeable on a 16gb iPad?

TenYearsGone 08-17-2011 12:42 PM

Hey George and all,

I have spent a few minutes (2 hours to be exact) on this iPUBS. I have successfully downloaded everything but IALPA and 756..Few minutes into the download the server konks out. I have even erased the "botched" IALPA and 756 to redo it and still get the "i756/ Failed:Invalid server response: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable" message..

HELP!!

TEN

TenYearsGone 08-17-2011 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1039977)
How much space does all the PDFs take up for the iPubs? Is it enough to be noticeable on a 16gb iPad?

I think less than 1Gb

TEN

PilotFrog 08-17-2011 01:11 PM

Anyway to get it on an Android system?

HSLD 08-17-2011 02:36 PM

For anyone using the iPad for any document collection (including company PDF manuals), the Good Reader app + Dropbox is the way to go.

Dropbox is a secure online file syncing service that offers 2Gig of online storage free (more space is available for a fee). Good Reader for the iPad connects with your Dropbox account and syncs effortlessly.

The workflow is as follows:

Download or place any files that you want to sync to your iPad into the Dropbox folder on your computer. In Good Reader, select the folder and press "sync". All the files on your computer are copied to your iPad - so easy a pilot could do it.

I'm guessing that the Delta iPub service is a shared online folder similar to what I described above. If you have an iPad and you don't have Good Reader, you're missing out!

Get 2 Gig of free storage from Dropbox here
Here's the Good Reader user manual talking about auto file sync

Cubdrick 08-17-2011 03:50 PM

Any advantage of using Goodreader over iBooks?

Thanks in advance,
Cubdrick

HSLD 08-17-2011 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdrick (Post 1040076)
Any advantage of using Goodreader over iBooks?

Thanks in advance,
Cubdrick

Goodreader syncs over WiFi, iBooks can only sync when connected to the computer via iTunes (unless they fixed it). Goodreader will open virtually every media file type, iBooks not even close. Goodreader allows you to annotate, highlite, attach notes, bookmark, and outline files. iBooks allows you to read an iPub document.

I've used both apps, iBooks doesn't come close to offering the features in Goodreader.

beer 08-18-2011 05:26 AM

Does it work on the iphone?

sevenfiveseven 08-18-2011 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by beer (Post 1040272)
Does it work on the iphone?


Yes it does.

Bucking Bar 08-18-2011 07:20 AM

Been doing this for a year on my little Android EVO. Download the PDF's from Flight Ops pages.

It always amazes me when Apple users get so excited about stuff other platforms have been doing forever.

Apple designs cool products, but it may be the epitome of marketing over substance.

SilverandSore 08-18-2011 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1040316)
Been doing this for a year on my little Android EVO. Download the PDF's from Flight Ops pages.

It always amazes me when Apple users get so excited about stuff other platforms have been doing forever.

Apple designs cool products, but it may be the epitome of marketing over substance.

You should be more appreciative of innovators like Apple, after all, your EVO wouldn't even exist without the influence of the original iPhone. As for the 'other platforms have been doing forever', well, that's kind of funny, I've had our pubs on my iPhone for over 2 years. Do I win?

gloopy 08-18-2011 09:47 AM

Apple certainlly isn't afraid to get into whizing contests with sacred little empires like Flash, etc, and sometimes that translates into consumer limitations, although in almost every case either an equivalent or a work around is feasable.

One thing that I do respect them for is the quality of construction and overall ergonomics. They are second to none. Every time someone breaks out an iClone or Padwannabe, you can tell its always a slightly inferior design in several ways. You would think that with every company in the universe building every consumer good in China, they would take at least some of their massive savings from slave labor working 16 hours a day with no bathroom break, zero enviromental regulations, hardly any taxes, little if any possibility of litigation and almost no regulation of any kind and at least put some of that back into the product. Nope, most manufacturers save all that money making things in the zero overhead boiler rooms that would make the robber barons of our industrial revolution blush yet they STILL mostly make junky products.

At least Apple makes high quality works of art with a small part of their "savings" from agressively avoiding American workers. Gotta give them credit for that.

Bucking Bar 08-18-2011 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 1040336)
You should be more appreciative of innovators like Apple, after all, your EVO wouldn't even exist without the influence of the original iPhone...

iPhone would not exist without 3Com, Palm, Handspring. I've been looking at my schedule on my phone for at least 10 years, what do I win?

Here you go ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD...ayer_embedded#!

gloopy 08-18-2011 10:06 AM

Any kid with start up capital from mom and dad for a lemonade stand has more cash reserves than the US government. When you have negative 14 trillion going to negative 16 trillion going to negative 24(+?) trillion in 10 years (assuming rosey predictions economically and no more additional trillion dollar wars or social schemes by then) with unfunded long term obligation far in excess of 100 trillion and interest on all that already exceeding some Reagan defense budgets and Apple actually running a profitable company making things people want in a very difficult economy, is it any wonder?

While we could follow the invention chain all the way back to fire and the wheel, there is no doubt that Apple has been a game changer. They don't invent everything from a complete vaccum, but they do bring products to market that absolutely blow away anything and everything that has come before them, plus add aesthetics and ergonomics far beyond their competitive field set. Look at the tablets. The entire industry couldn't make those things work. Fail after epic fail with the occasional "meh" and yet Apple comes along and with their first try not only dominated the entire market but of course spurs wave after wave of competitive wanna be's that still can't match them. Were they first with "smart phones"? Not even close. Yet even after multipile global powerhouses had very long head starts, on their first time out they flat out dominated the entire competitive field set. Oh but they don't have the mythical "4G yet" LOL!
(not to mention: 4G is a myth (and a confusing mess) - Dec. 1, 2010 but don't tell the 4g fanboys that! lol!)

The cell phone wouldn't be here without the "bag phone" which wouldn't be here without the "car phone" etc. It all comes from somewhere else. But that's OK:

Everything is a Remix Part 3 - YouTube

forgot to bid 08-18-2011 10:47 AM

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...3-NCAvmSqi7GBG

forgot to bid 08-18-2011 11:40 AM

Although I do find it annoying how information at Delta is spread between manuals in sometimes a very incoherent manner such that in order to handle one procedure you need to reference 4 manuals.

The game of "where can you find [xyz]..." is not amusing. It's fundamentally backwards.

Different subject though.

ExAF 08-18-2011 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1040433)
Although I do find it annoying how information at Delta is spread between manuals in sometimes a very incoherent manner such that in order to handle one procedure you need to reference 4 manuals.

The game of "where can you find [xyz]..." is not amusing. It's fundamentally backwards.

Different subject though.

It's easy at Delta....One place....Some place! ;) :D :p

Ferd149 08-18-2011 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1040316)
Been doing this for a year on my little Android EVO. Download the PDF's from Flight Ops pages.

It always amazes me when Apple users get so excited about stuff other platforms have been doing forever.

Apple designs cool products, but it may be the epitome of marketing over substance.

Bar, Bar, Bar

If you don't have an iPhone, you don't have an iPhone.......

This reminds me of when we were in the shower and you were telling me you had shrinkage and that it wasn't size but how you used it. It's like that now, you coming up with excuses why you don't have an iPhone:cool:

Just kidding bud, you know Iz lovez ya, ya big lug:D

forgot to bid 08-18-2011 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1040511)
Bar, Bar, Bar

This reminds me of when we were in the shower and you were telling me you had shrinkage and that it wasn't size but how you used it....bud, you know Iz lovez ya, ya big lug:D

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/...rSimpson25.gif

Ferd149 08-18-2011 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1040518)

LMFAO..........Dude, your my "communications director" when I run for congress. Can't have you on the other side:D

Tumbleweed 08-18-2011 05:46 PM

I thought this was going to be a post about finding good Ale on an overnight... talk about disppointing.

BigGuns 08-18-2011 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1040316)
Been doing this for a year on my little Android EVO. Download the PDF's from Flight Ops pages.

It always amazes me when Apple users get so excited about stuff other platforms have been doing forever.

Apple designs cool products, but it may be the epitome of marketing over substance.

Speaking of your EVO. How or can you get on Icrew?

georgetg 08-18-2011 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1040316)
Been doing this for a year on my little Android EVO. Download the PDF's from Flight Ops pages.

It always amazes me when Apple users get so excited about stuff other platforms have been doing forever.

Apple designs cool products, but it may be the epitome of marketing over substance.

Dude, (since you abide;-) its not about putting PDFs on the device, thats been possible for a long time on many mobile devices including Apples.

The beauty of iPubs is that someone else is doing all the work and all you do is push "sync" and all your pubs are up to date.

The innovation here is the work the individuals behind the scenes at iPubs are putting in to make this happen, that's what makes this so cool.

Cheers
George

DeadHead 08-19-2011 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1040374)
iPhone would not exist without 3Com, Palm, Handspring. I've been looking at my schedule on my phone for at least 10 years, what do I win?


Well, dogs have been able to lick themselves for hundreds or years now, so I think they may have us all beat.

Razor 08-19-2011 03:03 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1040741)
Dude, (since you abide;-) its not about putting PDFs on the device, thats been possible for a long time on many mobile devices including Apples.

The beauty of iPubs is that someone else is doing all the work and all you do is push "sync" and all your pubs are up to date.

The innovation here is the work the individuals behind the scenes at iPubs are putting in to make this happen, that's what makes this so cool.

Cheers
George

That's it exactly George. Let somebody else do the work of checking to see what needs to be updated and keeping the files current. After setting it up, all the user needs to do is push a single sync button.

Now, when I got my iPad a few weeks ago I figured I'd be updating my pubs on it anyway, so why not volunteer to be the 737 guy on iPubs. I keep things current for myself and anyone else that wants to use it. The feedback from users and the fleet guys is being shared with the Delta 4th floor people to go with the EFB study. Hopefully it helps speed up a solution and ease the implementation.

This from the iPubs website:

How iPubs Works

With iPubs every Delta pilot who participates will have push button update capability. An administrator, or Fleet Jedi, will manage a folder containing fleet specific files, regularly mirroring the files from the Delta server. This folder ( i777, iM89, i747, etc ) will be shared so you can sync directly from your iPad.


Four other shared folders, iPlane, iPath, iPeople, and iALPA will be maintained. These folders will contain files applicable to all pilots; fleet common files like the FOM and the contract.


iPubs uses GoodReader on the iPad as a file manager and viewer. SugarSync is used as the server for storing the iPubs shared folders containing the master files. Goodreader can be setup on the iPad to point directly to the iPubs shared folders. To have a complete iPubs library, be sure to join your fleet folder, all three iPPP folders and iALPA (about 1.5GB for all five).
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So, iPubs is set up to use SugarSync and GoodReader to do its thing. As GoodReader is for the iPad and iPhone it won't work on Android based tablets or phones but there might be another product that will work. As far as I know SugarSync works with Android and that's where iPubs' files reside. So if there is a reader for Android that can do what GoodReader does for the iPad then it should work just fine. Would love to have a volunteer get in touch with the iPubs Administrator (email address on iPubs site) and work out the Android solution. This isn't about iPad versus Android. It's about an easy way to keep pubs current.

Razor 08-19-2011 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1039986)
Hey George and all,

I have spent a few minutes (2 hours to be exact) on this iPUBS. I have successfully downloaded everything but IALPA and 756..Few minutes into the download the server konks out. I have even erased the "botched" IALPA and 756 to redo it and still get the "i756/ Failed:Invalid server response: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable" message..

HELP!!

TEN

TYG, did you get your problem solved or are you still having trouble? SugarSync seems to go down a lot and cause problems. Most guys report that it takes several attempts to get the initial sync completed with no explanation for why one time it fails and the next it works fine. The iALPA Jedi and iPubs Admin is talking to the SugarSync folks to try and find the answer but it appears to be a SugarSync problem. There is a bunch of info on the DALPA forum about this. I'm not very computer savvy unfortunately.

Justdoinmyjob 08-19-2011 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1040678)
Speaking of your EVO. How or can you get on Icrew?

On Deltanet, look for a link from DT on how to get to icrew with a smartphone. You need to use Dolphin and make sure you follow the directions EXACTLY on how to configure the user agent. Works good on the EVO. The only thing I haven't been able to do though is look at open time.

SilverandSore 08-19-2011 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1040374)
iPhone would not exist without 3Com, Palm, Handspring. I've been looking at my schedule on my phone for at least 10 years, what do I win?

Here you go ...

iPhone4 vs HTC Evo - YouTube!

Palm came 9 years after the Apple Newton, Apple's first handheld OS. Where does that leave me now? Look, I'm not an Apple fanboy but you gotta give them credit where credit is due, the iPhone has been a major paradigm shift. Competition is good, better for the end user, I'm glad Google is giving Apple a run for its money, it's just making them produce better stuff. You missed the mark making this an OS battle. iPubs does something your standard OS doesn't do. That's all. Not saying it's better.

georgetg 08-19-2011 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1040759)
That's it exactly George. Let somebody else do the work of checking to see what needs to be updated and keeping the files current. After setting it up, all the user needs to do is push a single sync button.

Now, when I got my iPad a few weeks ago I figured I'd be updating my pubs on it anyway, so why not volunteer to be the 737 guy on iPubs...

...This isn't about iPad versus Android. It's about an easy way to keep pubs current.

Razor, Thanks for all you do, and putting a smile on my face every time I push sync, have you considered putting in MF's study guide?

Cheers
George

Scottyr6 08-19-2011 09:36 AM

where is the dalpa computer forum so i can get a password for ipubs?

TenYearsGone 08-19-2011 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1040760)
TYG, did you get your problem solved or are you still having trouble? SugarSync seems to go down a lot and cause problems. Most guys report that it takes several attempts to get the initial sync completed with no explanation for why one time it fails and the next it works fine. The iALPA Jedi and iPubs Admin is talking to the SugarSync folks to try and find the answer but it appears to be a SugarSync problem. There is a bunch of info on the DALPA forum about this. I'm not very computer savvy unfortunately.

Razor,

Im not Savvy with computers, but I was able to download the 756 recently..My internet was "slow" so I went to Starbucks, believe it or not, and sync'd..It finally worked:D

TEN

Razor 08-19-2011 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1040851)
Razor, Thanks for all you do, and putting a smile on my face every time I push sync, have you considered putting in MF's study guide?

Cheers
George

Glad it's working for you George. MF's Study Guide is there. It's in the Training Folder titled 737N Study Guide. I will be moving it out of the Training Folder to a new Gouge Folder however. The feeling is that any "unofficial" stuff should be maintained in a gouge folder so I'll be moving soon. I head out for a trip tomorrow and that's when I do most of the updates. I welcome any other suggestions you have!

Razor 08-19-2011 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Scottyr6 (Post 1040888)
where is the dalpa computer forum so i can get a password for ipubs?

Log on to dal.alpa.org and make your way to the Social Media link and from there to the Forums. After you finally navigate all of the ALPA disclaimer BS and you make it to the forums you will find a Computer/Hi-Tech forum. In there is a thread titled iPubs for iPad 777, etc with the username/password.

Razor 08-19-2011 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1040973)
Razor,

Im not Savvy with computers either, but I was able to download the 756 recently..My internet was "slow" so I went to Starbucks, believe it or not, and sync'd..It finally worked:D

TEN

Good. Glad to hear it TEN.

Razor 08-19-2011 04:02 PM

From the head iPubs Admin:

iPubs Lite is launched for 747, A330 and A320 Fleets and contains all "Plane" documents and MEL where available. By joining iPath, iPeople, iPlane, iALPA and your Fleet folder, even with the Lite version, you will have access to many valuable documents with one button sync to your iPad. Once we get Jedi volunteers for the 747, A330, A320 and DC-9, we will add functionality.

Detailed instructions can be found at:
www.ipubs.me


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SugarSync servers had a bad week. Many sync problems while there servers were down ("503:service unavailable" errors). They are vowing to fix. Thanks to RC and a couple others for coaching iPubs users through the sync problems on the other iPubs thread. There are about 350 iPubs users now, and most are reporting reliable syncing when on a relatively fast wireless internet connection. As we get smarter, hopefully we will resolve the syncing frustrations that are occurring.
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The feedback you all are providing is incredibly valuable in shaping the future vision of Delta's corporate version of iPubs. Please email XXXX with your ideas ... How is iPubs helping? What apps are invaluable to you? What bugs you about referencing documents in GoodReader? What tips have you learned to speed access to information on your iPad?

detwilers 08-19-2011 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 1040831)
Palm came 9 years after the Apple Newton, Apple's first handheld OS. Where does that leave me now? Look, I'm not an Apple fanboy but you gotta give them credit where credit is due, the iPhone has been a major paradigm shift. Competition is good, better for the end user, I'm glad Google is giving Apple a run for its money, it's just making them produce better stuff. You missed the mark making this an OS battle. iPubs does something your standard OS doesn't do. That's all. Not saying it's better.

I owned one of these in 1993 before the Newton Launched.
I actually still have it in the basement. The Tandy Zoomer was Marketed by Tandy (Radio Shack), made by Casio, and ran on Palm computing software. Didn't do to well but palm was able to make it through the next few years by marketing their synchronization software for Hp devices, and the Graffiti handwriting reconition software for the Apple Newton MessagePad.

http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanage...-the-pric.jpeg

Palm was acquired by US Robotics in 1995. At that point Palm was able to launch many sucessful devices.

Going2Baja 08-19-2011 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1040781)
On Deltanet, look for a link from DT on how to get to icrew with a smartphone. You need to use Dolphin and make sure you follow the directions EXACTLY on how to configure the user agent. Works good on the EVO. The only thing I haven't been able to do though is look at open time.

Agreed...I used to be able to do everything w/ Firefox but for some reason lately it doesn't allow me to log into iCrew. I'm also using Evo. BTW - The recent Evo phone update has made a lot of thing not work correctly, anyone else have any problems w/ the update?

Baja.


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