If AMR goes to bankruptcy, and I sincerely hope they do not.. the company WILL take a hell of a lot bigger bite of your apple. There are lots of us here that have been there, done that. Just sayin', but your bargaining chips probably aren't as big as you might think they are. Codeshare/alliances and JVs have made DAL verrrrrry competitive in the industry where we were not just 10 years ago. I am not defending what DALPA has done or not done, just stating a fact about how DAL (the enterprise) is doing in the industry. It's a balance. "Subsidizing on the backs of labor" is an interesting line of thought. Without those JVs and alliances etc... I don't think DAL would be able to afford the contract gains/restorations that we are all expecting in a couple of years. I totally understand your anger and angst.. really I do. But continued stalemate will gain you nothing.

Oh, and one last thought. At DAL, Richard Anderson makes a lot of money. He was smart enough to check CEO on his application. I was not. While executive pay is way out of line at ALL airlines and in corporate America in general, there is nothing that you nor I nor Jimmy Hoffa can do about it. As long as boards of directors with compensation committees determine their worth, they get what they get...

Again, and with all sincerity, I wish you luck, because MY contract depends on YOURS.

 

Without looking back at my post, I don't think I have ever said I "love" PBS. I would merely say it is acceptable. The key is that the union has to have a lot of say as to the implementation and execution of it. Like someone above says, DALPA allowed too much unstacking during holiday seasons. There is a lesson in there for you. Take it FWIW. Most of the problems with scheduling will go away with simple time + holiday pay just like the rest of working America...

 

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Came across this article:

American, APA reach deal on long-haul flying | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com

So is this true progress towards a contract or is this the company "making a mountain out of a mole hill'?

 

16+ hour would require 2 CAs and 2 FOs.

Now look to see how much 16+ flying we have. The only one is ORD-DEL. There may be more with the 773/787 coming but prob not much.

To me it's a step in the right direction, but mostly an empty bag. We want what DAL has: 12+ has 2 CAs/2 FOS.

 

Latest B6 rumor from the b!cth board!

AA ups the offer to APA:

DAL rates + 1 increasing to SWA rates over 4 years on narrow body in TRADE for relief from contract to enter unrestricted Code Share with JetBlue

Really?

 

Nice.........pay rates that would cost at least 1/3 of the AA pilots their very jobs. Unrestricted domestic code-share is basically seppuku for anyone with 3 strips at AA, which is the whole point of their desire to outsource drastically. Who cares about pay rates then as that will vaporize the captain's upgrade for most of the F/O's, the majority of which are already in their 50's. In BK, any new pay rates can be whacked and their pension proposal isn't a whole lot better then PBGC for those junior, but scope has at least a chance of being defended to that equivilent of what the competition has.

I'll reserve final judgement until a TA arrives, but the way things look now, I'll take my chances with a bankruptcy judge and live with the result. At the very least in BK, there's a good chance that this management will feel seppuku-like pain too. Additionally, in BK it would likely be a marraige with U throwing a major wrench in management's desire to hop into the sack with JB.

 

So AA would lose more pilots from a JB codeshare than the total amount of pilots that JB has???

 

JB might grow, while AA shrinks, just like DAL and Alaska.

Be very wary of any domestic Code Shares...

 

So, you would have less flying, same or worse pay rates as now, and a terminated pension after BK. what's not to like?