787 gets common type rating with 777
10-08-2011, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
The accident Bus was being flown by a demo pilot. He was attempting to show that with the throttles at idle, when reaching stall warning, the throttles would go auto-TOGA. It also prevents you from exceeding stall AOA.
Problem: he forgot that this feature is disabled below 15 ft radar altitude (I think that is the correct number; it's been 8 years). Otherwise, you would never be able to LAND. It would keep initiating a Go-Around!
He sat there in high AOA in ground-effect at idle, saying "Wait, wait, it will do it..." By the time he realized it wouldn't go around on its own, it was too late.
Back to the Original story: the 787 should not have a common type with the 777.
For those who think the airlines will say "Yes, we should give the 787 pilots the same pay as the 777," they will add "and the 777 is over-paid because the 787 is a smaller airplane. Badda-bing, badda-boom, you have the same pay---and it is 20% lower!"
Problem: he forgot that this feature is disabled below 15 ft radar altitude (I think that is the correct number; it's been 8 years). Otherwise, you would never be able to LAND. It would keep initiating a Go-Around!
He sat there in high AOA in ground-effect at idle, saying "Wait, wait, it will do it..." By the time he realized it wouldn't go around on its own, it was too late.
Back to the Original story: the 787 should not have a common type with the 777.
For those who think the airlines will say "Yes, we should give the 787 pilots the same pay as the 777," they will add "and the 777 is over-paid because the 787 is a smaller airplane. Badda-bing, badda-boom, you have the same pay---and it is 20% lower!"
Interesting read on the A320 accident.
http://www.crashdehabsheim.net/CRenglish%20phot.pdf
10-10-2011, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mink
I think history has shown A Profitable Airline (if there is such a thing) ...
Over the last forty years, a pesky little airline in Texas has been showing a profit, and sharing it with its employees since the late 70s.
Doncha just LUV it?
10-10-2011, 02:56 PM
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Getting back to original subject of 787 type
Pardon me for "digressing" back to the original subject, but for those of you interested in HOW the FAA determines whether a specific aircraft shall get a common type rating is the following:
Take an "average" type rated line pilot on the 777, put him in the 787 simulator and give him an ATP practical test as a "test subject". If he can pass it without any training, then the aircraft MAY receive a common type rating.
Now I will give you an example of an aircraft that did not receive a common type rating:
The CRJ-1000 WILL NOT get a common type rating with the 200/700/900 (CL-65) because....
Every pilot they put through the check ride "busted" on the Autopilot coupled ILS. Apparently the automation is totally different in the CRJ-1000. All of the "test subjects" BLEW through the localizer and/or the Autopilot never captured it. Just pushing the APPR mode (like the other CRJ's) wasn't enough..
The FAA's Aircraft Evaluation Group (AEG) is responsible for making these determinations during Flight Standardization Boards (FSB).
Hope this helps shed some light on the subject. It's NOT politics....
Take an "average" type rated line pilot on the 777, put him in the 787 simulator and give him an ATP practical test as a "test subject". If he can pass it without any training, then the aircraft MAY receive a common type rating.
Now I will give you an example of an aircraft that did not receive a common type rating:
The CRJ-1000 WILL NOT get a common type rating with the 200/700/900 (CL-65) because....
Every pilot they put through the check ride "busted" on the Autopilot coupled ILS. Apparently the automation is totally different in the CRJ-1000. All of the "test subjects" BLEW through the localizer and/or the Autopilot never captured it. Just pushing the APPR mode (like the other CRJ's) wasn't enough..
The FAA's Aircraft Evaluation Group (AEG) is responsible for making these determinations during Flight Standardization Boards (FSB).
Hope this helps shed some light on the subject. It's NOT politics....
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