Originally Posted by FlyingSig (Post 1061420)

Actually Carl, ALPA volunteers were in AMS and CDG this month meeting with counterparts to produce this comparison (as directed by the MEC). Look for it in your inbox in the not too distant future.

Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 1061421)

Carl,

Wher were you able to view the Air France Pay Rates?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1061346)

Both NWALPA and DALPA said snapbacks were impossible because...the company said so. The company said industry revenue had been permanently reset, never to return. Thus snapbacks were impossible. And our ALPA experts agreed.

Carl

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1061327)

Especially with the makeup of this NMB. Look no farther than the DAL FA mess with AFA. The previous NMB is who declared APA was out of touch.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1061373)

Ok, show that data first. No one can seem to get a straight answer our of them. I have a KLM friend that is a Capt that is making in the range of 194 euros an hour plus better per diem, better vacation and line construction etc.

Second, we are not just talking about pay, but their benefits, vacation etc. Do not forget that the have significant government subsidized retirement and medical which we do not have. They start with six weeks of vacation, etc. Apples to apples. We need to look at the cost of each pilot to the corporation, not just pilot take home pay. Total cost and then look at what we have and then assign a value to what they get that they do not have to pay for.

Originally Posted by FlyingSig (Post 1061420)

Actually Carl, ALPA volunteers were in AMS and CDG this month meeting with counterparts to produce this comparison (as directed by the MEC). Look for it in your inbox in the not too distant future.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1061472)

And the UAE, where unions are flat out illegal, is subsidized by the import/export bank as well as government favoritism to the direct disadvantage of all US carriers. Oh and they just announced a massive US expansion and are exponentially increasing their cargo ops.

However they do have a lot of leverage. If we don't let them have their way with us, they might not let us be the defense provider for their entire region at our expense.

Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 1061446)

With all the FPL folks, fancy lawyers, high paid secretaries, and merger integration leverage...DALPA could not figure this out and ended up folding their cards. Unbelievable!

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1061481)

This is an example of a placating and plausibly deniable post.

If this is what working tirelessly looks like, its a pathetic joke.

The contract comparison, for all its glossiness, wasnt much more of a product than what is available on the airlines section of this website. Carl summarized AF/KLM adequately for pilots to make a decision.

ALPA continues to disappoint and manage expectations while giving an excuse about why it wasn't done sooner.