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nerd2009 09-27-2011 05:15 PM

Letter to DAL MEC Chairman, and response
 
Hi T, Thank you for your service to us all. Myself and all of the pilots that I fly with are increasingly becoming concerned with DALPA position on our upcoming negotiations. Will you support an agreement that doesn't at least get our payrates back to 2004 levels? Do you even consider the C2K payrates, which were negotiated 10 YEARS AGO, relevant? Why are they not included in the Delta Pilot's Contract Comparison, the Delta Pilot's Contract History, the DALPA website, or any DALPA communication? Has this been oversight, or or is there another reason ? As the Chairman, I realize that you are very busy. However, an explanation would fortify DALPA position to the membership. Thank you again for all you do for us.



Thanks for the email. I appreciate your participation and taking your time to stay involved. DALPA does not yet have a position on the upcoming negotiations. The pilot group (DALPA) will ultimately determine our goals and the MEC and MEC administration will work hard to achieve those goals. The MEC is currently in the process of developing the contract survey and should be distributing it later in Sept. The MEC will be working this fall to develop the contract opener. My point of view on these issues is no more important than your point of view. Please continue to engage your fellow pilots in discussions on these important topics. The more participation we get, the more valid the feedback will be. There will be another Roadshow in ATL on Oct 13th, I hope to see you there. T. O. M.

gloopy 09-27-2011 05:47 PM

When I first saw that "contract comparison" mostly of bankruptcy emergency 9-11 crisis contracts I really thought that nice color brochure was from management trying to manage our expectations. When someone told me it was a union publication I thought they were yanking me. The fact that it didn't contain AF/KLM JV costs as well as C2K losses adjusted for inflation and many other things really suggests we are being set up to grant another 4-5 year extention of said emergency crisis contract, offset with partial cost of living adjustments branded as a "raise" as we become cheaper labor by the year with nothing done to fix outsourcing except to maybe increase it a little. Yeah those Mitsubishi jets at TSA and those C-Series jets at RAH are really saving our bacon! Were it not for them we would be furloughing more.

Yes I was being sarcastic. But only a little bit.

Watch them like a hawk. Trust but verify. Mostly verify.

forgot to bid 09-27-2011 06:16 PM

See, again, just go with what gloopy says. :D

BigGuns 09-27-2011 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1061147)
When I first saw that "contract comparison" mostly of bankruptcy emergency 9-11 crisis contracts I really thought that nice color brochure was from management trying to manage our expectations. When someone told me it was a union publication I thought they were yanking me. The fact that it didn't contain AF/KLM JV costs as well as C2K losses adjusted for inflation and many other things really suggests we are being set up to grant another 4-5 year extention of said emergency crisis contract, offset with partial cost of living adjustments branded as a "raise" as we become cheaper labor by the year with nothing done to fix outsourcing except to maybe increase it a little. Yeah those Mitsubishi jets at TSA and those C-Series jets at RAH are really saving our bacon! Were it not for them we would be furloughing more.

Yes I was being sarcastic. But only a little bit.

Watch them like a hawk. Trust but verify. Mostly verify.

I agree totally.

Superpilot92 09-27-2011 08:03 PM

Agreed too!!

Fill out your survey comment boxes! Make it clear what you expect!

Pineapple Guy 09-28-2011 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 1061118)
Hi T, Thank you for your service to us all. Myself and all of the pilots that I fly with are increasingly becoming concerned with DALPA position on our upcoming negotiations. Will you support an agreement that doesn't at least get our payrates back to 2004 levels? Do you even consider the C2K payrates, which were negotiated 10 YEARS AGO, relevant? Why are they not included in the Delta Pilot's Contract Comparison, the Delta Pilot's Contract History, the DALPA website, or any DALPA communication? Has this been oversight, or or is there another reason ? As the Chairman, I realize that you are very busy. However, an explanation would fortify DALPA position to the membership. Thank you again for all you do for us.


How much weight do you really think the NMB will give to our C2K pay rates? Or, those of AF/KLM?

LandGreen2 09-28-2011 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1061263)
How much weight do you really think the NMB will give to our C2K pay rates? Or, those of AF/KLM?

probably a good reason to maybe having included....hmmmmm...i don't know...maybe SNAPBACKS? ya think? thank you DALPA!

NWA320pilot 09-28-2011 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1061263)
How much weight do you really think the NMB will give to our C2K pay rates? Or, those of AF/KLM?


The NMB are mediators not arbitrators, thus they are not the deciding factor. The can help mediate a differences but in the end it's their job to call an impasse. We as pilots determine what we are worth and what we are willing to do to obtain it.

acl65pilot 09-28-2011 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 1061275)
probably a good reason to maybe having included....hmmmmm...i don't know...maybe SNAPBACKS? ya think? thank you DALPA!

I do not think anyone disagrees with that, but hindsight is always 20/20.

PG;
Considering this country is trying to be more and more like the EU, I am sure that we can argue with great effectiveness the value of a AF pilot versus our value, when we are basically subsidizing their higher taxes and labor cost.

If done correctly, I am quite sure the NMB would listen, and agree.

dragon 09-28-2011 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1061296)
I do not think anyone disagrees with that, but hindsight is always 20/20.

PG;
Considering this country is trying to be more and more like the EU, I am sure that we can argue with great effectiveness the value of a AF pilot versus our value, when we are basically subsidizing their higher taxes and labor cost.

If done correctly, I am quite sure the NMB would listen, and agree.

Especially with the makeup of this NMB. Look no farther than the DAL FA mess with AFA. The previous NMB is who declared APA was out of touch.


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