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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
(Post 82941)
and our paychecks started getting docked the 1.95% dues charge. If you had declined to join the union in your probationary year, you would not be an ALPA member, but your check would still be docked the same 1.95%....you had no say in the matter (closed shop scenario)
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
(Post 83233)
That is an agency shop, not a closed shop. In a closed shop, you must join the union. You have no choice in the matter.
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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
(Post 83294)
Although your use of the term "independent" is a bit misleading. If you choose not to be a member of ALPA at Delta, the union still negotiates your contract for you, and you have absolutely no say or voice in the matter (and you're still paying dues). Just plain dumb, in my opinion.
Get real! Airline Unions, especially all the ALPA MEC's have made this job a career with decent pay and benefits, none of which would be around if it weren't for "Collective Bargaining" (even with all the concessions). Why should a Pilot who is part of the Craft and Class get all the benefits of a negoitiated contract without paying for it. Do you think some members of a country club should get to play golf and swim and Eat for free while the rest of the members pay dues? |
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
(Post 83296)
I suppose you think it would be better if 65,000 plus pilots negotiated their own contracts "Independently"???
Get real! Airline Unions, especially all the ALPA MEC's have made this job a career with decent pay and benefits, none of which would be around if it weren't for "Collective Bargaining" (even with all the concessions). Why should a Pilot who is part of the Craft and Class get all the benefits of a negoitiated contract without paying for it. Do you think some members of a country club should get to play golf and swim and Eat for free while the rest of the members pay dues? The main point I was trying to make was: if you have to pay anyways, then why not be a member of the union, have voting rights, and a voice? At Delta, we had a bunch of guys that didn't belong to ALPA, but still payed dues, and had absolutely no voice or vote in union/company business. Like I said before......dumb. Get it? |
Originally Posted by 757Driver
(Post 83175)
Not to slam your post DJD but what are you insinuating here. Our full-term strikers were out of a job for 3 years back in the '80's. Not sure how much time any UAL Pilot spent on the street during any of their strikes but I bet it wasn't even close to that.
Yep, three years. And no, a UAL pilot can't make that claim. To me, everyone of those guys should be given a medal for actually having the balls to stand up to the BS in this industry for 3 years. Despite what it cost them. What I said means just that, the pilot groups are different. CAL, ALOT of scabs. UAL, a FEW scabs. Relativley speaking. UAL seems to be much less tolerent of scabs than CAL. |
Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
(Post 65892)
Taxiied back to the gate and gave the boot to a cranky UAL jumpseater that played nice until we pushed back. As soon as the tug was disconnected, he started bitching about how we (United Express) were stealing jobs from UAL guys and he thought we should all be fired and he didn't give a damn about anybody at our company.
Captain looked him straight in the eye and said with a smile, "Well if you feel that CRJ's don't belong in the United system, then I suppose you can find another United affiliate to take you to work. I certainly am not going to tolerate a hostile attitude from you in my cockpit. As of this moment I consider you a security concern and I don't want you sitting up here." Too bad there wasn't a seat in the cabin... |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 84098)
And now....the rest of the story. That United Express Captain continued to work for ACA until they became Independence Air. Within a year IDE was bankrupt and out of business. Now that captain is waiting for United to accept resumes in 2007 so he can quit his crappy corporate job at CAT, and throw gear for that said "cranky UAL jumpseater"
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
(Post 83175)
Not to slam your post DJD but what are you insinuating here. Our full-term strikers were out of a job for 3 years back in the '80's. Not sure how much time any UAL Pilot spent on the street during any of their strikes but I bet it wasn't even close to that.
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Originally Posted by BlueBall
(Post 82508)
RJ pilot flying UAL colors gets to the cockpit to ask for jumpseat. On his Flt. Bag is a sticker with a picture of an RJ, mouth open eating a Guppy(737). It states GUPPY KILLER. I told him Sticker or jumpseat he decided to keep his sticker and find another way home. I believe it was a Mesa guy.
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Originally Posted by bizzum
(Post 84593)
I had a captain at my previous airline tell me he had a guy get on with an "E170 Guppy Killer" sticker on his bag wanting a ride. The captain, infront of all the passengers, said "thats a cute sticker, but the only way you are riding on my aircraft is if you peel that thing off your bag infront of the passengers" he said the kids face turned white, and he then kneeled down and peeled the thing right off, and this is from a Dash 8 captain!
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