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Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1074729)

BTW, Delta is the largest user of jet fuel in the world, according to company executives

No it's not, the United States Government is.

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Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1110938)

I think my reps work very hard. And I think they should get paid trip drops when they are doing union business. I was just pointing out that they do get drops.

So is the following statement true or false?

"You are aware that your "LEC REPS" do not receive any sort of override whatsoever correct? They do not get trip drops for any LEC business. Representing pilots in the CP office? Off days. LEC meetings? Off days. In the larger bases you have Reps that are going to the airport 16 days a month to fly and then 8 or 9 days a month doing representations etc. This work does not get done by magic."

Reps do get trip drops, but not for any of the above which probably takes up most of their time.

Simply stating that Reps are entitled to trip drops ignores the overwhelming percent of their time they spend representing you on their off time when they are not entitled to trip drops as your LEC rep.

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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope (Post 1110969)

Of course it is fact...in your world (and Carl's world I suppose); and no matter how much sense the rest of Carl's post makes, it is these emotional, Ad Hominem attacks that is so detestable and reminiscent of the USAPA movement, that assures the ultimate failure of DPA....of course, that is just my opinion (not a "fact")

+++ a bunch

Edit: Eh, Elvis said it better....

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Originally Posted by fiveninerzero (Post 1111101)

No it's not, the United States Government is.

During peacetime Delta is the world's largest consumer of jet fuel, edging out the Department of Defense. So even a small move in oil prices has an impact on the bottom line of a company that flies at least 700 of its own large and regional airplanes and counts more than 1,400 aircraft under its companywide umbrella.

Read more here: How financial speculation in oil prices ruins airline profits | McClatchy

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1111138)

Edit: Eh, Elvis said it better....

Pedantic...good SAT word! Obstruse, erudite, doctrinaire, ostentatious. +1 to Justdoinmyjob for vocab use!

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

Folks, here you have the anatomy of a well planned smear campaign. You have sensationalistic, tabloid trash that is worthy of Karl Rove or Rupert Murdoch's best efforts. Lets break down how you make a great smear campaign as evidenced above:

It's good that you've unmasked yourself as a far left guy. Gives great context to your opinions.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

First, The Manager, Carl, 80Knots, OccupyRestSeat, and every other Delta pilot is paid by Delta Air Lines. EVERY ONE. So The Manager starts off with this bolded statement:

As has been stated many times, it's perfectly appropriate that line pilots for Delta are paid by Delta. We are working on behalf of Delta. When unelected MEC bureaucrats such as yourself and slowplay work "on behalf of Delta pilots", you're also paid by Delta. That's the problem. You should be paid by the people you're supposed to be representing. It might help you move away from constant apologies for whatever management does.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

So somehow, recklessly wasting your dues money by forcing your union to pay back all the flight pay loss money has become a rallying cry for an independent union. Yes, our plan is to waste your dues money when we don't have to. Why, because your pay will come from Delta Air Lines instead of Delta Air Lines. Awesome plan.

And you have the gall to screech about others putting forth a smear campaign? Do you even read what you write? Or are you too busy with hating Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch? :rolleyes:

As has been stated many times, the fix to this is take all money from flight pay loss paid by the company and give it back to the pilot group as increased salary. Then our dues would increase the exact same amount so that our union guys would still get their flight pay loss, but they would get it from dues money...not management. Next straw man argument...

Carl

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

In the sleaze ball propaganda world that is called separation and deniability. Not confirmed, see that allows him to walk away from his sleazy attack with no harm no foul. It is not confirmed, but I will throw out the mud anyway, see what sticks.

Hilarious! This is the guy that just got through screaming about a smear campaign. Good times!!

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

More masterful work. Why "debit cards" and not "credit cards." Everyone knows that an organization the size of ALPA uses corporate credit cards for purchasing and cost accounting so "credit cards" doesn't sound menacing enough. No, they use "debit cards" because that conjures up images of cash payments with no accountability. I mean who really records all the times they buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks with a debit card. Who could ever track where these mysterious debit cards are being used?

Your martyrdom complex is making you look foolish. Debit card/credit card is a meaningless distinction. One has no worse connotation than the other. The problem is poorly accounted for expenses by union officials.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1111156)

You should be paid by the people you're supposed to be representing. It might help you move away from constant apologies for whatever management does.

Uh.. I disagree with this in a sense. If DALPA were paying representatives, you and others would be squawking about the amount of work that you are getting for your money. I think that is a slippery slope too Carl.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

Excellent walkback to the deniability stage. There is a reason why hearsay is not allowed in evidence in court rooms, but hey, when you are making a sleaze ball attack, why not? See, The Manager doesn't have to take responsibility for this sleaze, it is just hearsay.

You mean the kind of hearsay you keep spewing that DPA is really all about overturning the SLI?

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

He starts with FACT all bolded as if that proves it. Here is quick fact. C2K pay for a 767 Captain was $268 per hour. At the time he posted this a 767 Captain's pay was $182 per hour. Average pay hours during C2K was 83 hours per pilot. ALPA uses 87 hours for committee members and 92 for the Negotiating Committee which is the only committee that are designated pilots.

C2K: 268 x 83 = $22,244
Average Committee guy : 182 x 87 = $15,834
Average Delta line holder : 182 x 87 = $15,834
Negotiating Committee : 182 x 92 = $16,744

If you count the per diem of $1,000 per month you do not get to C2K pay, no matter how you slice it. It is not a fact it is pure bunk. Plus, does anyone think that working more hours after bankruptcy is a pay raise? Please, someone tell me that the DPA doesn't think we get a pay raise when we work more hours.

What's pure bunk is your blatantly false premise. Let's do the math again shall we? 70 hours per month at the C2K rate of $268 per hour = 18,760. 92 hours per month at the current rate of $182 per hour = 16,744. Plus the 1,000 stipend (which is tax free) = 17,744. This is a 1,016 dollar difference. Add in the credit cards/debit cards for expenses and you get very close to C2K pay...which is EXACTLY what TheManager said. I know you will call this more sleazy Karl Rove propaganda, but the truth is what it is.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1110390)

It seems to me that DPA has morphed from being an alternative union concept to a sleazy ALPA attack machine. They have this website with no accountability and no ethics and just toss out sleazy trash to attack pilots that work for ALPA.

Have fun with the rest of your ALPA funded/flight pay loss funded smear campaign dude. You'll make the far left very proud.

Carl