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Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1110399)
Where do you find the LM-2 report? thanks
Click on the link below, then in the box "Union Name by Abbreviation" select Airline Pilots Association from the dropdown menu. Then on the bottom from the box "Report Type" select LM-2, then hit submit. When the report list populates, select the last one 000-179 2010 Report.

Organization Query Page (Disclosure)

Carl

Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 11:01 AM
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Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 11:09 AM
Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1110275)
Hey Carl,

Thanks and Happy New Year. I read Slow's response to my post and contemplated it.... for a minute. I was late to a New Years party and decided to put it in a hold for later.

You captured everything I had planned to say.

One point I do want to reiterate.

YES the Committee guys are getting C2K pay.

Slow, you responded that they are not getting C2K rates. Rates, of course not. But if you take 92, or even 87 hours of pay.... on the highest equipment they can hold plus stipends/per diem, etc., then their W2's look no different than they probably did in 2001.

Mind you, while they are representing the interests and needs of the pilots, this windfall is paid for by Delta, not ALPA.

So, while line guys are dealing with an average line value of 72 hours a month from Nov-March with little to no open time to pick up, and while still under a bk contract, those under full FPL see no change from C2K.

Tell us again how they are down here in the trenches with us fighting and are not swayed at all by the company's funded influence?

So easy to change. How about the line pilots pay you all to represent us?
Extremely important points that I've bolded here.

Carl

Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110297)
No matter how many times you repeat it, your statement still is not factual. I did not parse words. But now you're equivocating. Before you asserted that W2's looked no different than C2K. Now you're stating "probably...in 2001." I'm sure if pay went back to the May 2001 scale you'd excoriate ALPA while beating your DPA tamborine.
Another great example for anyone keeping track. Our unelected MEC bureaucrat slowplay here throws out these accusations and swears up and down he didn't parse words. Now he edits his post to change what he swore wasn't word parsing.

You know slowplay, I expect more from my unelected MEC bureaucrats. When Delta management pays you your 92 hours flight pay loss per month plus 1,000 stipend plus expenses, I'm starting to think maybe they're not getting their money's worth. I know the line pilots sure aren't.

Carl

tsquare 01-01-2012 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1110415)
Timbo, I deleted my response - it's just not worth it.

I just made my New Year's resolution, which is to sign off this board. It has grown tiresome and redundant. This used to be a place where the "Latest and Greatest" was heard; but now it seems to be nothing more than an anti-ALPA ranting club with the same dozen or so guys constantly whining.

Enjoy and Sayonara, but I've got better things to do with my life.
This place will drag you back.. just like it does me. It is like crack (or so I hear) I would love to sign off this place and never come back.. but it keeps calling and calling...

tsquare 01-01-2012 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1110416)
How long has the Communications Chair been talking down to us? Seems like 10 years, but it may only be 5...he would be the first one I would replace, and I would have done it two years ago.

On the Term Limit thing? You simply make it a Requirement of being a Delta Pilot, just like paying dues is required under Agency Shop. Hold a Lottery, pull 4 names for each slot, and have an election. If you win, you must serve, but in 2 years you are Free again, having done your part. I think that would motivate the silent majority to wake up and pay attention to what they are actaully voting on!
Indentured servitude??? I admire the thought.. but I think we would get really really weak "participants".

Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
Maybe you ought to actually read the source material, assistant groundskeeper. Then you wouldn't have to guess. The LM-2 breaks out all compensation and expense reimbursement (per diem, expenses, vacation reimbursement, etc.) for every individual. The document is way more intrusive than Federal requirements for publicly traded corporations, as they only are required to list the top 5 earners. Oh, all the stuff the union funds, such as the Charitable Fund and Furlough/Emergency Relief fund is in their too.
Went through the LM-2 for the last few hours slowplay. Compensation and expense reimbursement is listed for all the officers (title only), but I couldn't find any breakdown for "volunteers" and others based on the "individual" as you state above. What schedule of the LM-2 does that appear? For example, where on the LM-2 could I find out how much flight pay loss was paid to a member of the MEC's Strategic Planning Committee? Or Negotiating Committee? Or a DALPA volunteer that I know by name?

Carl

Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
There is only one guy on DPA's NC that has run for major public office (3 times). Asking for money from a union PAC that you've never contributed to is hypocritical, don't you think?
Translation: You're not really a union member if you're not ALPA. DPA support disqualifies you as someone who believes in unionism and as such, you're not entitled to PAC money from a "union" like ALPA if you decide to run for public office.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
I guess you don't like democracy, Spackler. Remember, it's not the Detroit Pilots Association.
It certainly isn't the Detroit Pilots Association despite you MEC bureaucrats constantly calling it that. The majority of DPA members are now ATL. Imagine that!

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
The other councils representing the other 9,000 plus pilots get a vote too. And not one single committee guy got to vote on how that resolution was processed. All of it was done by the elected representatives.
What was the breakdown of that vote to kill the flight pay loss resolution slowplay? Where can we find out exactly how each LEC member voted in the process to follow or kill the fligth pay loss resolution?

Carl

Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
Name that guy.

Name one elected representative that hasn't been included in the process, or been excluded from a meeting, or has been isolated from infomation provided to the MEC.
I won't say their names because they've asked me not to. 2 current and 4 former LEC members (all known to me personally) have stated this is exactly what happens to anyone who tries to upset the MEC apple cart. You are lied to, "mushroomed" and isolated from key information. This is done so you look uninformed at LEC meetings in front of your constituents. But more importantly, it's an example to the other LEC members of "what will happen to you" if behave badly as defined by our top-down MEC. I would encourage anyone else with friends who are current and former LEC reps to ask them this very question. Hear it for yourself.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
When you're finished with your "proof", contact the Department of Labor. They'll be interested.

Your assertion is bovine excrement.
None of this behavior is illegal under labor law. Unfortunately, there's nothing against unprofessional and retaliatory behavior against members your own administration.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
You keep repeating that which is false. Why? Is this what ninjas do?
Does name calling actually work in your unelected MEC bureaucrat meetings slowplay?

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110308)
Why did I take you off my ignore list?:rolleyes:
I thought your ignore list was only for those LEC reps who don't agree with how you unelected bureaucrats wield power?

Carl

Carl Spackler 01-01-2012 12:10 PM
Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110373)
I've edited my original post to change the word "rate" to "pay" with appropriate homage to your word parsing.
You're not paying homage to my word parsing. By editing your post, you're admitting that you did parse and spin...exactly like I said you did.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1110373)
Now that we're finsihed with your attempt at deflection, you asked a bunch of questions and I answered them. Your turn, bombthrower.:p
Read above.

Carl


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