What tsquare said, but I will add that the specific NYC growth was dressed up and sold as something that will benefit mainline and it hasn't. All its allowed is the flexibility to close MEM and reallocate inferior product, high cost RJ resources to one of the most critical markets in the world where we are in a fierce battle with a superior mainline product. Its turning LGA into a mainline high bypass alter ego hub because NYC is the mother of all O&D markets and we're betting the farm (again) on outsourced RJ's there. At least this time those RJ's are DC-9 replacement size though so it should turn out better. :rolleyes:

Oh and of course all that outsourcing will produce revenues that we will be able to share in! That is so freaking brilliant. We should totally give up more outsourcing so that we can have more riches to share in!

Just so everyone knows, when slowplay here tries to tell you that The Managers facts aren't fact, he's telling you this as one of those highly paid unelected MEC bureaucrat committee guys. He is the perfect example of why a guy would put out such disinformation to manage your expectations downward, so he can make his masters (DAL management) happy. When DAL management is happy, slowplay gets to continue making C2K money while he "represents" the pilots.

We pilots are indeed paid by Delta when we work on behalf of Delta. Slowplay is paid by Delta when he "works" on behalf of the pilots. That's the difference. And it's a big difference.

Carl

Care to refute what slowplay is saying then, Carl?

OK...

My reps and other reps tell me it can be as high as 92 hours per month based on circumstances. Exactly as The Manager states. The one way we could all find out is if DALPA released FPL data as demanded by our resolution that DALPA killed. Wonder why they did that?

Again, reps have told me just the opposite. Debit cards are used for this purpose, but they are indeed approved through the MEC Treasurer and reviewed by National Staff.

Nobody said anything different.

I particularly love this part. It sounds like an answer doesn't it. But the TOTALS don't mean anything if you can't apply them to an individual committee person or volunteer. Maybe slowplay really meant that the LM-2 lists each committee member and volunteer by name, and lists that person's totals. My guess is that the LM-2 just shows the grand total.

At 92 hours, there are.

Name the 300 hour guy, and/or the 195 hour guy. Or even PM us the names.

Who did that? Name the guy.

Who did that? Name the guy.

Another one I really loved. My work as a Delta pilot is on behalf of Delta. It makes perfect sense that Delta would pay me. Slowplay and the other bureaucrats are supposed to be working on behalf of Delta pilots, yet they're paid by Delta management. That not only doesn't make sense, it is a setup for what we have now...union leadership beholden to management and attending each others kid's birthday parties.

Utter nonsense. The killing of the pilot's flight pay loss resolution is just the latest example of where the power really lies.

If you talk to some current and former reps, they'll tell you what happense to you if you as a rep try to upset the MEC apple cart. You'll be isolated from key information, forgotten to be called for snap teleconferences and used as an example to other LEC reps as to what can happen if you don't shut up and color.

As stated many times before, reps don't matter. Change them at will, and nothing will change because the power lies in the MEC committee staff. That's the way a top-down union works.

Carl

Thanks, Carl. :D Hope you're enjoying tonight at home!

You too bro. Happy New Year.

Carl

Hey Carl,

Thanks and Happy New Year. I read Slow's response to my post and contemplated it.... for a minute. I was late to a New Years party and decided to put it in a hold for later.

You captured everything I had planned to say.

One point I do want to reiterate.

YES the Committee guys are getting C2K pay.

Slow, you responded that they are not getting C2K rates. Rates, of course not. But if you take 92, or even 87 hours of pay.... on the highest equipment they can hold plus stipends/per diem, etc., then their W2's look no different than they probably did in 2001.

Mind you, while they are representing the interests and needs of the pilots, this windfall is paid for by Delta, not ALPA.

So, while line guys are dealing with an average line value of 72 hours a month from Nov-March with little to no open time to pick up, and while still under a bk contract, those under full FPL see no change from C2K.

Tell us again how they are down here in the trenches with us fighting and are not swayed at all by the company's funded influence?

So easy to change. How about the line pilots pay you all to represent us?

No matter how many times you repeat it, your statement still is not factual. I did not parse words. But now you're equivocating. Before you asserted that W2's looked no different than C2K. Now you're stating "probably...in 2001." I'm sure if pay went back to the May 2001 scale you'd excoriate ALPA while beating your DPA tamborine.

Committee guys get paid in the category they are assigned. They are not paid what they can hold. Only "designated pilots" are paid what they can hold (MEC Officers, Pilot Director, and Negotiating Committee). That stuff is in the contract, you might try reading it. Oh, the list of 24J pilots is in there too.

Who did that? Name the guy

Who did that? Name the guy


Maybe you ought to actually read the source material, assistant groundskeeper. Then you wouldn't have to guess. The LM-2 breaks out all compensation and expense reimbursement (per diem, expenses, vacation reimbursement, etc.) for every individual. The document is way more intrusive than Federal requirements for publicly traded corporations, as they only are required to list the top 5 earners. Oh, all the stuff the union funds, such as the Charitable Fund and Furlough/Emergency Relief fund is in their too.


Not on a public forum. But their schedules were all available for pilot review. The big DPA poster had 15 days of greenslips made legal by 12 days of sick drops over the 3 summer months.

All disclosed in the LM-2, Bushwood bomber. You'll see the DPA NC and Safety committees have representatives on that list with debts to the Delta pilots by their names.


There is only one guy on DPA's NC that has run for major public office (3 times). Asking for money from a union PAC that you've never contributed to is hypocritical, don't you think?

I guess you don't like democracy, Spackler. Remember, it's not the Detroit Pilots Association. The other councils representing the other 9,000 plus pilots get a vote too. And not one single committee guy got to vote on how that resolution was processed. All of it was done by the elected representatives.


Name that guy.

Name one elected representative that hasn't been included in the process, or been excluded from a meeting, or has been isolated from infomation provided to the MEC. When you're finished with your "proof", contact the Department of Labor. They'll be interested.

Your assertion is bovine excrement.


You keep repeating that which is false. Why? Is this what ninjas do? But I again compliment you on your selection of screen name, you're trying to be as effective as Carl Spackler was at Bushwood.

Why did I take you off my ignore list?:rolleyes:

Happy New Year everyone. Did we really have a guy call in sick to make himself legal for greenslips ? and is he really associated with the DPA ? Can you spell unethical.