+40% pay
All delta flying done by delta pilots.


If I don't see these I don't vote yes. I'm a pretty simple dude.

This is awesome ...

Man that has a real nice ring to it!

Reverend Carl Spackler or as we like to call him down at the homeless pilot shelter "R C" :D:D:D

Is this "fact" or "opinion"?

How about an opinion, based on facts?

We could get into numerous layers of expectation management over the last couple years but let's instead just focus on one of the most recent developments.

Let's look at the recent slot swap "mainline massacre" where DALPA and the company worked together to lobby for something that was promoted as significantly helping mainline. Turns out it didn't help mainline as the slot growth was DCI to the tune of 95% or so. And now for the rest of the story: (Paul Harvey all up in hey, ch'all!)

After the "mainline massacre" there were several LEC written statements released on the subject from multipile LEC's including the biggest one that's closest to the action on Va. Ave. While they all said how they were dissapointed and were misled by the company and were promised significantly more mainline growth that we saw, all the letters summarized by stating that not only was everything kosher within our CBA, but this was still good news because it would result in more revenue for the company and we will hopefully get a share of that. Let's break those two things down shall we?

Yes, it is legal IAW our CBA. Duh. But what's the 64 million dollar follow on question? Hint: it was one that was never asked. A scope clause that would allow 255 DC-9 replacement jets to be operated to the lowest bidder is an epic fail and needs to be reigned in...significantly! Yet that wasn't said at all.

OK fine, but what about the sharing the wealth from the new NYC revenue? This is perhaps the most egregious thing they could have said in the first place because that myopic mentality is the one that caused the 255 DC-9 replacements and hundreds of additional outsourced jets to begin with!

Ergo one could read those letters as "yeah, we're upset too and we were directly lied to and mislead intentionally by the company, but its perfectly legal and all that outsourcing will lead to mainline prosperity!" To put it another way, "yeah, the company lied to us and used us to support their anti mainline plans, but we think there will be revenue from this that we can get a piece of so its all good." Followed by some very vague mention of scope with little to no specifics and there we have it.

Srsly? Yeah, that's basically what was said. We may or may not be OK with massive outsourcing at the RJ50 level, the DC-9-10 level, the 737 level and the A380 level, but hey, its perfectly legal and besides we get all this revenue from sourcing out to the lowest bidder so hey, what's good for the company is good for us. :rolleyes:

What Carl stated about the union is of course fact.

Consider how they became compromised and why and how it can be easily fixed

Note: The political power base is the Committee chair positions. They are compensated with FPL.

FPL can reach 92 hrs per month on the highest equipment one can hold.

Additional stipend of $1,000 or more per month is added on top of that.

FPL and the stipend are paid for by DAL. (Not confirmed but DPA claims there are about debit cards that are handed out to reps that are loosely accounted for as well. That one is hearsay.)

Fact. Committee level union officials are still getting C2K pay or better.


Therefore,





In order for the pilots to attain a fair and aquitable contract for their families and themselves, they must be unified. Presently, the group is fractured among competing interests. One is going to have to emerge and lead this group effectively. It can be done. It must be done.

Right now, it is DALPA's contest to either win or lose. Presently, DALPA, or to be completely accurate, the commitee structure and leadership, is struggling.

They are driven only by their brazen self interests in pursuit of political survival. They are struggling to perserve that authority. They can not lead and unify if they are only interested in their regime and their current compensation structure. Introspective thought and change is needed.

This is important as you asked if it fact or opinion that DALPA is compromised:

DALPA and DAL have close relationship that contain rewards. Kind of like rewards that governments provide to other governments. All aid money is dispersed not to alleviate poverty, but to purchase loyalty and influence.

Think about that. Now we all know why FPL is such a third rail political issue. We can not succeed if we are not unifed or have effective leadership. We can not be unifed or led when there is question as to the loyalty and influence of our leadership.

Will the our leaders in the union push hard for a return on our bankruptcy sacrafices that we all rightfully deserve? Or, will they continue to attempt to manage our expectations down and settle for incremental gains that don't even match the line pilots benefits and pay to SWA while continuing to prosper with C2K for themselves?

I'd rather pay more dues money earmarked for our use and not Nationals to cover FPL (with a monthly accounting) than have DAL in the equation. Think of the impact a change like this would have.

It breaks the ability to purchase loyalty and influence by the company for a small to no increase in dues for line pilots


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All of your "facts"...aren't.:rolleyes:

There are no committee people getting 92 hours of FPL. Full time committee folks got 87 hours this past year. For 2010 it was 82 hours. Committee folks get paid for the category they're in, not what they can hold.

There are no "debit cards." This is more DPA tripe. All expenses have to be approved through the MEC Treasurer and then are reviewed by the National staff for payment. There's also Federal labor and tax law regulating what can be expensed, and the totals are disclosed each year on the LM-2.

At 87 hours plus the monthly per diem, there are no ALPA Committee folks getting C2K PAY. There are DPA guys that have had over 300 hour months and one of the most prolific DPA posters had one month with 195 hours last summer. Of course there are those DPA committee guys that took loans from the Delta pilot funded furlough and emergency relief fund, then refused to honor their committment to pay that back. Another DPA guy got mad at ALPA-PAC for not contributing to a couple of his political campaigns. He'd never contributed a dime...go figure.

Your paycheck is paid by DAL. Your argument says you're compromised as a union member.:p

Oh, the power resides in the pilot group. They elect the representatives that elect the MEC Administration AND those reps then confirm the committee chairs. There's open ballots right now for 2 of the 21 elected rep positions. Ballots for 5 of the voting seats closed last fall. Each year at least 3 councils are elected by the membership.

So again, your facts are anything but.

Edited to clear up Carl's word parsing, deflection, and obvious confusion.

[QUOTE=slowplay;1110124]Full time committee folks got 87 hours this past year. For 2010 it was 82 hours. /QUOTE]

I'd like to know why they got an increase in the number of hours they are paid for every month.

As far as some of the other things you posted: Several months ago (April?) there was a resolution passed regarding Flight Pay Loss data being made public. Eight months later it still hasn't been released.

Delta pilots whether on this forum, in lounges, or in cockpits are very frustrated by this failure on ALPA's part. If there's nothing to hide (as you say) make the data available. Otherwise, people will probably continue to make assumptions which may (or may not) be true.

"Mainline massacre"?......everyone (including DALPA) is disappointed in the RJ presence on these routes, but you are attempting to make it sound as though it is an increase in RJs when it's not.

I will ASSUME that it is not an increase in RJs, but I need some convincing. So can you tell me what the daily block hour usage prior to the slot swap for RJs was, and what it will be post slot swap?