Where do you find the LM-2 report? thanks

Happy New Year to you too.

I don't pretend to be an expert on our PWA, but I didn't think calling in sick made you any more or less eligible for greenslip flying.

If the person even exists, he's either associated with DPA or DALPA. But slowplay won't release the name of the guy or even PM you the name. Sounds like yet another slowplay authored smear campaign.

Can you spell: Let's find out if it's even true first?

Carl

I completely agree that it's not ethical... if that's what that person did. But how do you know he/she wasn't legitimately sick, and then after feeling better, decided to throw in a greenslip?

I'm not an ALPA fan, but I find it disingenuous of Slowplay to cast aspersions on someone associated with DPA after ALPA's abysmal performance related with the whole FPL issue and ensuing cover-up.

ALPA won't make their profligate spending public but have no problem making accusations about others.

I don't jump into this ring very often, but let's not judge what someone may or may not have done with their sick time - without the facts, which we will never have.

I agree that scenario you guys are describing sounds a little fishy, but:


1. It may have never happened

2. If it did play out like that, none of us can say without a doubt, that said pilot was not sick when he called in sick. I'm not naive, but I will alway give the benefit of the doubt to my fellow pilots, who are largely an ethical group. There may be an average "sick profile" but it takes outliers on both sides to create that average. I'll choose to believe that guys are sick when they say they're sick. Enough said.

3. Let's let the CPO's worry about who's abusing sick time, and not turn on ourselves. Don't call in when you're not sick, and more importantly, DON'T fly when you are. It's very simple. Nothing to hide if you play by the rules.


Not trying to start the whole sick abuse argument again, but when I see an alleged ALPA committee chair (I don't know Slow only going on what Carl mentioned above) condemning a pilot's sick use, it concerns me. I'd expect that my union "brothers and sister's" and especially the union reps/committee chairs/volunteers would side with me if my sick usage were ever called into question. Especially before all the facts were known.

Again, we don't have any of the information on the invidual mentioned above that went on a GS bonanza. Let's stop this witch hunt (of a likely legitimate pilot) before it gets going.

This is such a great example for pilots to see of their MEC committee bureaucrats in action. Slowplay here is trying to sell us on the idea that he did not parse words. But here is what The Manager actually posted:

Notice how he clearly said union officials are still getting C2K pay or better?

Now here is our MEC committee bureaucrat refuting The Manager's statement:

Notice how he states no ALPA Committee folks are getting C2K rates? If you read it quickly, you might not notice that you've just been lied to. You may not notice that he just changed the subject and refuted a statement that was never asserted.

This is just one example of why trying to communicate with people terrified of losing their cushy deal is so difficult. They will stoop to any and all levels to try to hide the truth from you. But try as they might, you can defeat this behavior by reading every single word very carefully. If you do this understanding that their main goal is to hide the truth from you, this stuff will stick out like a sore thumb to you.

Carl

I've edited my original post to change the word "rate" to "pay" with appropriate homage to your word parsing.

Now that we're finsihed with your attempt at deflection, you asked a bunch of questions and I answered them. Your turn, bombthrower.:p

Slow;

Unfortunately, what Carl describes above is how the rank and file have been forced or trained to read our unions letters. We all have to be experts in training at reading between the lines. The sad reality is that we are in a trust but verify situation...a situation caused by our collective bargaining agent.:(

Do not know about that.


However. How do you think people feel about reps that drop two trips for ALPA work to make themselves available for a week long greenslip trip??

Really? :rolleyes:

I note that Carl and the management guy haven't jumped on the twisting of logic and word parsing that occurred after my posts...and neither did you. What part of union letter writing is that?

That's a very hollow protest.

Well, you just named about everyone that wields power and influence in the union and whose influence should not be made suspect by who butters their bread.