Tailwinds
11-26-2011 | 09:01 PM
#11
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I'd think that since you've flown into busy airports it would be crystal clear. Sure, you can fly a slower speed and save fuel, but going into ANY of the major airports, you won't be doing it for long.
11-26-2011 | 09:31 PM
#12
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Not if you're flying from several hours away... particularly transcons.
11-26-2011 | 09:34 PM
#13
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I believe at DL we are going to a more aggressive cost index program where you'll see much more dramatic cost index changes depending on winds and arrival times.
We actually had such a huge tailwind the other day coming from IND-ATL that we delayed departure by 20 minutes because of gate availability. We still got in 15 minutes early....
We actually had such a huge tailwind the other day coming from IND-ATL that we delayed departure by 20 minutes because of gate availability. We still got in 15 minutes early....
11-27-2011 | 04:33 AM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
My favorite part is when the tower will hold a 'heavy' (everything from a 757 up to A380) to launch several RJ's, then finally launch the heavy...then when you talk to departure, they tell the heavy to slow to 280 (or less) in the climb, because you are following...all the RJ's the tower guy put in front of you!
Why can't ATL ATC just specify that ALL Departures MUST maintain 320 in the climb?
OR...put the slower ones at the back of the launch parade, instead of the front? Maybe with all these new SID's they will have more places to send the low and slow trafic.
Why can't ATL ATC just specify that ALL Departures MUST maintain 320 in the climb?
OR...put the slower ones at the back of the launch parade, instead of the front? Maybe with all these new SID's they will have more places to send the low and slow trafic.
Last edited by Timbo; 11-27-2011 at 05:21 AM.
11-27-2011 | 06:12 AM
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11-27-2011 | 06:23 AM
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Not true. Climb the -200 at 320 or even better 330 and watch the climb rates then. Problem is, you have all these guys climbing on "normal climb" profile which is 290/.74 and engines at Econ climb power (800 ITT) no matter what (even with eng A/I on)! Sheesh!
Get the guys to speed up and power up and they'd get out of your way. Blame the training. And the culture. It's like everyone is brainwashed to sim lesson 1. Maybe afraid FOQA will tattle on them or something. I don't know.
Get the guys to speed up and power up and they'd get out of your way. Blame the training. And the culture. It's like everyone is brainwashed to sim lesson 1. Maybe afraid FOQA will tattle on them or something. I don't know.
11-27-2011 | 07:15 AM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
I can live with a 280kt. climb, get to cruise alt. faster and be on my way, I just don't know why (at the world's busiest airport) they haven't specified a common climb speed for all departing jet traffic, so we can maintain our separation and get out of there as fast as possible.
Seems when ever we slow to 280 we are next told to level off at 230, and wait....wait....wait...for the RJ's in front to climb all the way up to...290, and get some spacing, before we can continue on our way.
Why not hold the RJ's down to 250 or below and let the big dogs eat? The Heavies have 8-15hr. legs to go, and spending the first 10minutes held down at fl 230, at 280kts, is not helping save any fuel.
Seems when ever we slow to 280 we are next told to level off at 230, and wait....wait....wait...for the RJ's in front to climb all the way up to...290, and get some spacing, before we can continue on our way.
Why not hold the RJ's down to 250 or below and let the big dogs eat? The Heavies have 8-15hr. legs to go, and spending the first 10minutes held down at fl 230, at 280kts, is not helping save any fuel.
Last edited by Timbo; 11-27-2011 at 10:18 AM.
11-27-2011 | 08:19 AM
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From: 767er Captain
My favorite part is when the tower will hold a 'heavy' (everything from a 757 up to A380) to launch several RJ's, then finally launch the heavy...then when you talk to departure, they tell the heavy to slow to 280 (or less) in the climb, because you are following...all the RJ's the tower guy put in front of you!
Why can't ATL ATC just specify that ALL Departures MUST maintain 320 in the climb?
OR...put the slower ones at the back of the launch parade, instead of the front? Maybe with all these new SID's they will have more places to send the low and slow trafic.
Why can't ATL ATC just specify that ALL Departures MUST maintain 320 in the climb?
OR...put the slower ones at the back of the launch parade, instead of the front? Maybe with all these new SID's they will have more places to send the low and slow trafic.
Oh and to answer the OP.. Sometimes it depends on where you are going. If I am going to JFK in the summer, and I am going to be 30 minutes early, I'll pull it back.. to save both fuel and aggravation. (You won't have a gate available if you are that early)
11-27-2011 | 09:05 PM
#20
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From: fins to the left, fins to the right
Are south guys flying it yet?
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