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Boomer 12-12-2011 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Kellwolf (Post 1100689)
Sad thing is, according to Delta's website, almost 10% of their aircraft are RJs... which means that's just Comair.
Delta's numbers are old. That percentage is currently down to 8% and at the rate Delta is giving away Comair airplanes it will be 5% by summer.

To put it into perspective, Delta would have to park 230 mainline aircraft to keep Comair at the 8% mark.

P-3Bubba 12-12-2011 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1100727)
And from the un-aviation-educated perspective, there's no difference. Walk on a CRJ-700 or -900 or big ERJ and what's the first thing you see? First Class. Who would have thought we'd have RJ's running around with First cabins on nearly three hour routes?

Let's just hope other companies do what jetBlue and US do and keep 190s at the mainline level. That's a start to bringing 170s/CR7s back to mainline. Will it happen? Doubtful. Nice thought though.
The 90 seat give away will be the first thing management brings to the new Legacy contract negotiations. And guess what? They'll get it!!!

Justdoinmyjob 12-12-2011 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba (Post 1100819)
The 90 seat give away will be the first thing management brings to the new Legacy contract negotiations. And guess what? They'll get it!!!

*sniff, sniff* Someone smell smoke?

Climbto450 12-12-2011 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1100333)
Thank you, I'll be here all week.


Is this thing on?


But come on, is it really necessary to add a ";)" or a ":rolleyes:" to everything in order to indicate sarcasm?

BOS is an awesome market that DL has surrendered with the weakest of fights and even in times of billion dollar profits all around they still pretend its a much smaller market than it really is. JB, with the direct help of failed DL management decisions (and a little help from AA and USAir in that regards too) has handed a high volume, great yield, almost recession proof crown jewel to JB on a platinum platter and let them walk away with the Red Sox sponsorship just to rub salt into it. DL could absolutely own BOS with a little effort but would rather "make money" by outsourcing gates to Continental and giving a pretend "non revenue" code share partner ground handling priority as thanks for taking the entire west coast off our hands because they choose not to compete there either.
Only for those of us that ride the short bus.

gloopy 12-12-2011 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba (Post 1100819)
The 90 seat give away will be the first thing management brings to the new Legacy contract negotiations. And guess what? They'll get it!!!
DALPA already gave up tons of 90 seaters. The company all along wanted them to be 76 seaters with a first class so DALPA pretended to "limit" them to 76 seats, but they are 90 seaters.

It should be a very high priority in C2012 to sharply and quickly reduce the allowed outsourcing of anything over 50 seats and then phase out all remaining in a reasonable timeframe.

Its hard enough to win customers and marketshare as it is. In a protracted stagflation malaise economy (which our own CEO is very concerned about and specifically mentioned recently) we as a pilot group can not afford to outsource hundreds of DC-9-10 replacement jets to off list ACMI operators without getting spanked hard as a group when things get tough.

gloopy 12-12-2011 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by Climbto450 (Post 1100861)
Only for those of us that ride the short bus.
Only what for who that rides the what?

Kellwolf 12-12-2011 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1100807)
Delta's numbers are old. That percentage is currently down to 8% and at the rate Delta is giving away Comair airplanes it will be 5% by summer.

To put it into perspective, Delta would have to park 230 mainline aircraft to keep Comair at the 8% mark.
You'll get no argument from me that Comair is getting hosed on the Delta Connection train, however, if you look at the fleet totals from all the DCI carriers, it's a GOOD percentage of Delta flying now. Numbers are from here: Delta Connection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I know it's Wikipedia, but a quick glance around and some asking shows those numbers are pretty close. Total comes out to 558 regional jets in the Delta system if you count everything from a 200 to a E175. I do since it's all contracted out to someone other than mainline. According to Delta's website, they've got 716 airplanes under the mainline banner. Total the two together, and that's 1274 planes. Remember, it's not just a "bigger" airline, but a "better" airline according to the ads. However, 44% of that flying is outsourced....

P-3Bubba 12-13-2011 01:57 AM
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1100839)
*sniff, sniff* Someone smell smoke?
That's the first time I've been accused of flame baiting. Lol! Thank you. Those guys started it.


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