I filled out my Cal application and other time, if it is after upgrading to AC, goes toward PIC, minus anytimes that you weren't A coded. The other time as copilot goes towards SIC. The only airline apps I've seen where they won't let you count other time towards PIC time is SW.

 

I did the same thing moose. If you were the A code then absolutely you can count your other time towards PIC. Even at SWA. I think the "no other time" at SWA is so you can't count other time on locals when you were sitting in the back or missions where you weren't the A code. I don't think the rule was intended to penalize C-17/C-5 guys (I'm C-5) who routinely fly with 3 pilots due to 24 hour duty days. 3 guys in my squadron have been hired at SWA recently and they all counted their other time when they were PIC. They explained it at the interview and it was no problem. It makes sense when you think about, if you're the PIC it doesn't matter if you're in the seat or not. I'm assuming an airline captain still logs PIC even when he/she is in the bunk.

I did throw out the other time when I was not the A code. I just used Pri + Sec = SIC.

Good luck!

 

dudemize, are you sure that's okay with other time as PIC time? I mean, I was still A coded while I was in the bunk but I double checked SW's and it said no other time. All the guys I know who have applied didn't count it either, even though they were still A coded.

I completely agree that other time should be counted, just like every other airline does, but SW doesn't count it, according to their website.

I'm weary about putting it on there, because I don't want to seem like I'm rebeling against company policy.

 

Moose, by all means if you feel that counting the other time will hurt you, then don't do it. I'm just going by what I have been told by some SWA guys in my squadron. As a disclaimer I have not applied to SWA (not quite to 1300 PIC yet). Here is a link from flightinfo where I posed a question about the other time and got a response from an SWA guy. It's down the thread a bit.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=87605

I just don't think the "no other time" rule was intended to apply in the situation when you are the A code. It just doesn't make sense. If am the aircraft commander on a 9 hour flight, why should only 6 of it count as PIC? Who was PIC for the other 3 then?

Any other SWA guys out there who want to weigh in on the subject?

 

Dudemize, I completely, 100% agree with you.

Unfortunatley I can't access the forum since I'm not a member. You think you can cut and paste the text?

I really want to use my other time as A code so I'm more competitive. Everyone i've talked to who've applied haven't used it. Hopefully I can't get a SWA guy to chime in.

Thanks for your help

 

Moose, here is my question and response from Oh Ryan at flightinfo.


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Originally Posted by dudemize

I have a question regarding other time. In the C-5 we always fly with 3 pilots, which is usually divided evenly between the 3 (i.e. for a 9 hr flight will log 3 primary, 3 secondary, 3 other). Now if I am the A code it doesn't seem right that I can only log 6 of the 9 as PIC. Who was PIC for the other 3?

Anyone have any insight on this?

Oh Ryan's answer:

Absolutely! Log all nine hours as PIC time... even if you in the rack. You are the head cheese and are making decisions that affect the safety of flight even if you are not wiggling the stick.

I did it and it wasn't a problem during my interview. I kept my military logbook as well as a excel spreadsheet that tracked all of my time. The total time in my military logbook is less than my civilian spreadsheet because my military book doesn't account for time that I logged as PIC when there were three bubba's aboard (i.e. the three hours I was not in the seat). I was asked about it during the interview and explained it just as I have here and it wasn't an issue. Good luck.
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Here's what I did, and I got hired so I must be doing something right... My interviewer 100% agreed with my hours solution off of my Air Force Form 5. I took my total hours subtracted ALL other hours, then added in the conversion, period. I didn't log "bunk" A code time or any other circular web of logic that the rest of you heavy guys come up with. Trust me, with SWA all you need is the min hours. Whether you have 2501 or 10000 they simply put a checkmark in the box next to hours. Concentrate on your people and interview skills not trying to squeeze an extra .3 out of your last A/R sortie. Good luck!

 

Thanks for the reply C-5 guy. How did you log your PIC time? Did you just take your Pri+Sec=PIC when you were the A code?

 

C5 Guy, please answer a question. How did you come up with your PIC time off of your AF Form 5? I understand that you got your total time by taking total hours and subtracted all other hours. However, how did you calculate your PIC since it isn't on the form. I have heard many versions of this, like taking all IP time as PIC and 50% of primary and secondary once you are a MP. What did you use to come up with PIC?

Thanks!

 

Anybody else that wants to answer this question for me would be appreciated.

Thanks