DL to get new contract soon
04-30-2012, 11:45 AM
#131
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Originally Posted by dalad
A little birdie told me the company has budgeted more than 1/2 a billion annually to settle the contract. Everybody needs to relax, we are going to get a pay increase and Scope is not going to be given away. I am in the pay me now club, and not 6 years from now with 50% retro like in past contracts. We also need to be concerned about the JV flying. I mean 5 AF flights daily JFK-CDG? 2 x 777's daily LAX-CDG?. Same with ATL. KLM 2 x daily JFK AMS? Look at the JV flights from all our hubs. That is our wide body pilot seats being flown by somebody else. And don't tell me we have it great because we have a couple of light twins daily from PHL and PIT.
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04-30-2012, 11:50 AM
#133
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Originally Posted by Philly
Guess I should post this here too instead of just on L&G.
Long time lurker/occasional poster, but I can't not share this one. Let me say right up front that this is 3rd hand so please don't shoot the messenger!
OK, here goes:
Jumpseater with us today claims to have ties to a CPO and was told by his buddy in the CPO that we should see a TA on 18 May. Supposedly the MEC will see it on the 15th, and to us on the 18th. Details include 20% increase to the rates with "COLA" type increases per year later. 717s are in the deal and supposedly via a lease from Boeing after turn in from SWA. SWA pays some penalties etc but we get "new" leases from Boeing. Company will offer 500 early outs, and hiring will begin quickly. 50 seaters reduced to around 125 total. Now for the bad news: Supposedly company wants 90 seaters with some type of production balance. Also they want increased Code share with Alaska. The reason he claims the company wants a deal done quickly has to do with the loan for the refinery.
Again, please don't shoot the messenger. There is no way I can confirm any of this...it is just the rumor I heard today with a lot of details and a firm date (supposedly). I guess we will know soon.
Ready for incoming...Philly
Long time lurker/occasional poster, but I can't not share this one. Let me say right up front that this is 3rd hand so please don't shoot the messenger!
OK, here goes:
Jumpseater with us today claims to have ties to a CPO and was told by his buddy in the CPO that we should see a TA on 18 May. Supposedly the MEC will see it on the 15th, and to us on the 18th. Details include 20% increase to the rates with "COLA" type increases per year later. 717s are in the deal and supposedly via a lease from Boeing after turn in from SWA. SWA pays some penalties etc but we get "new" leases from Boeing. Company will offer 500 early outs, and hiring will begin quickly. 50 seaters reduced to around 125 total. Now for the bad news: Supposedly company wants 90 seaters with some type of production balance. Also they want increased Code share with Alaska. The reason he claims the company wants a deal done quickly has to do with the loan for the refinery.
Again, please don't shoot the messenger. There is no way I can confirm any of this...it is just the rumor I heard today with a lot of details and a firm date (supposedly). I guess we will know soon.
Ready for incoming...Philly
I have heard this too from someone definately in the know... Pretty much exact same words too.
04-30-2012, 11:52 AM
#134
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Sailing,
If we haven't discussed scope yet, what is TO talking about with the ratios? Not aruging, just asking.
If we haven't discussed scope yet, what is TO talking about with the ratios? Not aruging, just asking.
And possibly more 76 seaters (or larger) to allow used 117-125 seat planes our scope already owns, possibly with up to 1000 frivolous OAL sport bidding pilots coming with just for fun, partly in order to trip park future replacement planes at mainline in order to "grow" into more allowed outsourced large "RJ's".
In exchange we get locked into maybe a few percent over COLA contract as the company is projecting over double current profits so they can do a wicked Irish step dance and sing "a contract is a contract, up in here, up in here!"
I'm totally kidding. But what if I wasn't?
04-30-2012, 11:58 AM
#135
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They want a contract that will pass 50% + 1, they don't care what we think as individuals. I am now changing my thoughts to thinking the top third will mostly vote yes just on the early outs. We need to see the scope language, the JV flying isn't even being talked about on this board at all. Everybody is focused on 76 and 90 seaters while our JV partners fly 777's, A-380's, A-340's, etc across the Atlantic and Pacific stealing our jobs on the wide body highest paying aircraft.
04-30-2012, 12:07 PM
#136
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta has hired more pilots the last 5 years then Alaska even adjusted for the relative size of the airlines. Alaska just recalled their last furloughed guys not long ago and started hiring.
04-30-2012, 12:11 PM
#137
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Originally Posted by dalad
They want a contract that will pass 50% + 1, they don't care what we think as individuals. I am now changing my thoughts to thinking the top third will mostly vote yes just on the early outs. We need to see the scope language, the JV flying isn't even being talked about on this board at all. Everybody is focused on 76 and 90 seaters while our JV partners fly 777's, A-380's, A-340's, etc across the Atlantic and Pacific stealing our jobs on the wide body highest paying aircraft.
04-30-2012, 12:11 PM
#138
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Watch out there boys, There is a whole group of pilots at the bottom of our list who thought they would not see any advancement for years due to the fleet plan. They will jump all over a bad deal to get a bunch of old small 717's. I think part of managements strategy here is to get this done quickly so that when these guys see they can get a raise by moving up right now they will jump on it, scope be damned.
Their, I fixed your post.
Your original post is garbage. First off if management likes the current contract they can sit on it for years and years. They know they have 4 years at a minimum just based on history and the NMB workload. They probably have almost forever. There are other reasons they want the contract done. Still I don't think we will see a TA.
Their, I fixed your post.
Your original post is garbage. First off if management likes the current contract they can sit on it for years and years. They know they have 4 years at a minimum just based on history and the NMB workload. They probably have almost forever. There are other reasons they want the contract done. Still I don't think we will see a TA.
04-30-2012, 12:12 PM
#139
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Looks like you just floated one to me
Did I? I am just telling you that there are many way to skin this cat, and we need to think outside the box. A sure is and if we are going to play the game, we must too. This is just one way to do it.
04-30-2012, 12:14 PM
#140
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Originally Posted by Philly
Guess I should post this here too instead of just on L&G.
Long time lurker/occasional poster, but I can't not share this one. Let me say right up front that this is 3rd hand so please don't shoot the messenger!
OK, here goes:
Jumpseater with us today claims to have ties to a CPO and was told by his buddy in the CPO that we should see a TA on 18 May. Supposedly the MEC will see it on the 15th, and to us on the 18th. Details include 20% increase to the rates with "COLA" type increases per year later. 717s are in the deal and supposedly via a lease from Boeing after turn in from SWA. SWA pays some penalties etc but we get "new" leases from Boeing. Company will offer 500 early outs, and hiring will begin quickly. 50 seaters reduced to around 125 total. Now for the bad news: Supposedly company wants 90 seaters with some type of production balance. Also they want increased Code share with Alaska. The reason he claims the company wants a deal done quickly has to do with the loan for the refinery.
Again, please don't shoot the messenger. There is no way I can confirm any of this...it is just the rumor I heard today with a lot of details and a firm date (supposedly). I guess we will know soon.
Ready for incoming...Philly
Long time lurker/occasional poster, but I can't not share this one. Let me say right up front that this is 3rd hand so please don't shoot the messenger!
OK, here goes:
Jumpseater with us today claims to have ties to a CPO and was told by his buddy in the CPO that we should see a TA on 18 May. Supposedly the MEC will see it on the 15th, and to us on the 18th. Details include 20% increase to the rates with "COLA" type increases per year later. 717s are in the deal and supposedly via a lease from Boeing after turn in from SWA. SWA pays some penalties etc but we get "new" leases from Boeing. Company will offer 500 early outs, and hiring will begin quickly. 50 seaters reduced to around 125 total. Now for the bad news: Supposedly company wants 90 seaters with some type of production balance. Also they want increased Code share with Alaska. The reason he claims the company wants a deal done quickly has to do with the loan for the refinery.
Again, please don't shoot the messenger. There is no way I can confirm any of this...it is just the rumor I heard today with a lot of details and a firm date (supposedly). I guess we will know soon.
Ready for incoming...Philly
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