Where is DAL going to let Alaska the 73-900ER
05-10-2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cesnacaptn
For clarification: Delta announced SAN-Hawaii, but never flew that route (western excepted). Just guessing, but DL realized they couldn't make money and abandoned the route before the first flight. AS promptly filled in (I'm sure DL colluded, but that's speculation, because collusion would be illegal). Most likely, AS is making money.
05-10-2012, 10:04 AM
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Exactly right,
The Delta pilot arrogance with regard to Alaska kills me. Alaska is a highly successful stand-alone air carrier. Yes, your stagnation at DAL does suck, but personally I would spend more of your time and effort on the RJs and I wouldn't worry about Alaskas 737-900s. If you can't compete with Alaska on the west coast, then sucks to be you. Buy them or Merge with them, but in the mean time why blame your stagnation and "capacity discipline" on Alaska...just my opinion.
The Delta pilot arrogance with regard to Alaska kills me. Alaska is a highly successful stand-alone air carrier. Yes, your stagnation at DAL does suck, but personally I would spend more of your time and effort on the RJs and I wouldn't worry about Alaskas 737-900s. If you can't compete with Alaska on the west coast, then sucks to be you. Buy them or Merge with them, but in the mean time why blame your stagnation and "capacity discipline" on Alaska...just my opinion.
05-10-2012, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
Exactly right,
The Delta pilot arrogance with regard to Alaska kills me. Alaska is a highly successful stand-alone air carrier. Yes, your stagnation at DAL does suck, but personally I would spend more of your time and effort on the RJs and I wouldn't worry about Alaskas 737-900s. If you can't compete with Alaska on the west coast, then sucks to be you. Buy them or Merge with them, but in the mean time why blame your stagnation and "capacity discipline" on Alaska...just my opinion.
The Delta pilot arrogance with regard to Alaska kills me. Alaska is a highly successful stand-alone air carrier. Yes, your stagnation at DAL does suck, but personally I would spend more of your time and effort on the RJs and I wouldn't worry about Alaskas 737-900s. If you can't compete with Alaska on the west coast, then sucks to be you. Buy them or Merge with them, but in the mean time why blame your stagnation and "capacity discipline" on Alaska...just my opinion.
I know you think there is a bright future in being a code share proxy airline leveraging lower unit costs and living in endless growth mode. AS is in their RJ-airline high phase WRT that right now, just like the regionals a decade ago, but it won't last forever. If for any other reason than they will likely be merged with DL or AA before they can conquer the world flying all airline 737's around the country with Eskimo tails.
Its actually a shame to see them devolve into a Chautauqua-esque code share proxy on a large scale like this. They are a storied and innovative airline the likes of which have lead the industry in many areas. To watch them try and morph into an "all aboard!" ACMI regional is pathetic. For thier sake as wel as ours, I hope that one way or another that nonsense ends real soon. If not, while they may benefit from unbalanced deals with DL and AA, eventually they will come back down to reality quite harshly, especially if they don't have some of the strongest scope in the industry, and from what I've seen they don't.
05-10-2012, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Its not that we can't compete with AS on the west coast, its that we choose to outsource. AS is becoming like Chautauqua with 737's. JB isn't far behind but needs a massive gutting of AA scope to make it happen. The only arrogance you will see at DL about AS is with the ones not willing to put the AS code share abuse as a high priority in negotiations. Take away AA and DL pax from AS and AS is hurtfar more than DL or AA. Despite the propaganda that they "fill up our widebodies" we still give them twice the pax they give us. Its easy to grow when other airlines call up up and give you pax. At least for a while.
I know you think there is a bright future in being a code share proxy airline leveraging lower unit costs and living in endless growth mode. AS is in their RJ-airline high phase WRT that right now, just like the regionals a decade ago, but it won't last forever. If for any other reason than they will likely be merged with DL or AA before they can conquer the world flying all airline 737's around the country with Eskimo tails.
Its actually a shame to see them devolve into a Chautauqua-esque code share proxy on a large scale like this. They are a storied and innovative airline the likes of which have lead the industry in many areas. To watch them try and morph into an "all aboard!" ACMI regional is pathetic. For thier sake as wel as ours, I hope that one way or another that nonsense ends real soon. If not, while they may benefit from unbalanced deals with DL and AA, eventually they will come back down to reality quite harshly, especially if they don't have some of the strongest scope in the industry, and from what I've seen they don't.
I know you think there is a bright future in being a code share proxy airline leveraging lower unit costs and living in endless growth mode. AS is in their RJ-airline high phase WRT that right now, just like the regionals a decade ago, but it won't last forever. If for any other reason than they will likely be merged with DL or AA before they can conquer the world flying all airline 737's around the country with Eskimo tails.
Its actually a shame to see them devolve into a Chautauqua-esque code share proxy on a large scale like this. They are a storied and innovative airline the likes of which have lead the industry in many areas. To watch them try and morph into an "all aboard!" ACMI regional is pathetic. For thier sake as wel as ours, I hope that one way or another that nonsense ends real soon. If not, while they may benefit from unbalanced deals with DL and AA, eventually they will come back down to reality quite harshly, especially if they don't have some of the strongest scope in the industry, and from what I've seen they don't.
05-10-2012, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
Exactly right,
The Delta pilot arrogance with regard to Alaska kills me. Alaska is a highly successful stand-alone air carrier. Yes, your stagnation at DAL does suck, but personally I would spend more of your time and effort on the RJs and I wouldn't worry about Alaskas 737-900s. If you can't compete with Alaska on the west coast, then sucks to be you. Buy them or Merge with them, but in the mean time why blame your stagnation and "capacity discipline" on Alaska...just my opinion.
The Delta pilot arrogance with regard to Alaska kills me. Alaska is a highly successful stand-alone air carrier. Yes, your stagnation at DAL does suck, but personally I would spend more of your time and effort on the RJs and I wouldn't worry about Alaskas 737-900s. If you can't compete with Alaska on the west coast, then sucks to be you. Buy them or Merge with them, but in the mean time why blame your stagnation and "capacity discipline" on Alaska...just my opinion.
05-10-2012, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cesnacaptn
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