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Old 05-14-2012 | 04:11 AM
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As a ual pilot I can only hope we are out of alpa by then.
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Old 05-14-2012 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by syd111
As a ual pilot I can only hope we are out of alpa by then.
Yeah, that's working so well for APA and USAPA.
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Old 05-14-2012 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Yeah, that's working so well for APA and USAPA.
Don't care have not seen alpa work for over 27 years, you can have them, willing to try something difference.
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Old 05-14-2012 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by syd111
Don't care have not seen alpa work for over 27 years, you can have them, willing to try something difference.
Make it almost 30 years. All one has to do is read the latest bulletin from DALPA about ALPA's imminent bankruptcy and insolvency due to the TWA and Air Tran lawsuits. This is just the beginning folks. After raising our dues all they can, the assessments will be next to keep these worthless fat cats in power. Don't get me wrong. With 12,000 plus pilots at Delta alone someone has definitely got to speak as one voice for us, but that one voice is definitely not ALPA. We can do much better for a much better price than ALPA is charging.
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Old 05-14-2012 | 06:08 AM
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Great....another back-door dues increase through my 401K. We voted that down a few years ago. It was all RAH RAH RAH from ALPA how being assessed dues on the 401K was a good thing for us at XJ (the typical hard sell), followed by deafening silence after it was voted down. Their argument was that it isn't "fair" that a 401K at a regional isn't assessed dues, but one at the majors are. My solution for them was simple. I'd be willing to pay dues on my 401K if we had a defined benefit plan. Once again...deafening silence. They knew that outright raisig of the dues would be opposed by all, but the 401K thing might slip through the cracks to make up for the lost income of losing the USAIR representation. Seems that I'm either getting hosed by the governemnt via taxes, the company via bankruptcy, or the union through higher fees. All trying to make up for their screw-ups by taking it out of my wallet. I've about had it.
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Old 05-14-2012 | 06:26 AM
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Ah yes, this makes good and perfect sense. Regional guys DON'T have any form of retirement other than a 401(k), usually with a miserable match...so let's skim another 2% off the top! Well played, ALPA, you're developing quite the cheering section among the next generation of mainline pilots...I see this working out quite well for you in the long run. </snark>Not that Moak cares, he'll be on to bigger and better things by then.
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Old 05-14-2012 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
If this is about the 401k exemption, which doesn't pertain to Delta pilots, then it's total BS. Please tell me that the DPA isn't trying to spin this as an increase on Delta pilot dues, because if they are, that's just not true. DYODD, because obviously the DPA isn't in this case.
Now THERE's a shocker.
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Old 05-14-2012 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Yep... Looks like they are trying to change the bi laws and will be assessing your retirment contributions now too...

Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October*2012
Does anyone else find it ironic that DPA's primary complaint is that ALPA spends too much money on regional pilots; yet, when ALPA considers a proposal to level the playing field with respect to ALPA dues on 401k contributions, which will negatively impact regional pilots, yet have no effect on Delta pilots, they are up in arms?
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Old 05-14-2012 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Ah yes, this makes good and perfect sense. Regional guys DON'T have any form of retirement other than a 401(k), usually with a miserable match...so let's skim another 2% off the top! Well played, ALPA, you're developing quite the cheering section among the next generation of mainline pilots...I see this working out quite well for you in the long run. </snark>Not that Moak cares, he'll be on to bigger and better things by then.
So, why don't you negotiate for a better retirement, rather than having me subsidize your present one via a dues exemption?
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Old 05-14-2012 | 07:30 AM
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So after Pinnacle pilots are reamed by management in Chp 11 bankruptcy with a huge concessionary contract, ALPA will then take their dues on the 401k contributions as well? Well played, ALPA! Those fat cats in Herndon need to cushion their $500,000 salaries.


Pathetic.
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