Incorrect. The TA just eliminates the possible loophole to operate turboprop or GTF powered aircraft outside the scope limits.

 

U pass ur dal TA and u will have an industry leading contract for a month, until ual gets way ahead.
Nothing of real significance but the time value of $ is achieved with this ta. Great contracts are achieved not given ultimatums with a few pieces of silver. Dal- always going for the quick dollar. Ual has been been beaten down for so long and hard that abfew more months is nothing but icing on our near decade of sacrifice. Cost neutral contract, rufkm? Scope with ur ta is still moving in the wrong direction. This contract is "x" amount of 76 seaters, in 2015 it'll be ,., awe come on let us put 86 seats in on "some " planes. .. Pilots just dont think long term..
Pass it and reap,what u sew

 

Skippy and others,

How about letting Delta pilots decide for themselves, and you guys decide your contract for yourselves? I promise to not hang out on the UCH board, telling you what's AFU in your contract.

It's a little like having a Frenchman telling me how I should vote in the next presidential election.

 

I would say that passing ur concessionary TA, increased hours worked, and decreasing scope doesnt affect me directly but im pretty sure it does indirectly. Vote, how u want and if u think u will be ahead of ual ur nuts and only hoping to catch up to SW .. In a few years
That TA is only leading the industry the wrong way for the future.

 

BTW.....How's that Derek Dooley doing??

 

Okay, I'll take your words of caution under advisement...

In the 25 years I've been at Delta, there haven't been a whole lot of years where we've looked enviously at the UAL contract.

 

Or out of base swaps

 

Zoomie does have point: I used the term "trolling" incorrectly.

As gor the others calling me an idiot for suggesting it's possible to continue trading 76-seaters, as long as we follow the trend of reducing mainline (an unpopular idea to be sure), I'd suggest you're fighting the last battle. Poorly.

I think pilot requirements, and excluded technology will serve to mitigate the least important end of the battle on Scope.

Basically, the RJ is a grievous mistake made in the past. It's crucial not to allow larger airplanes, which this TA doesn't do. Controlling the mix would be great, but it's not the most important problem in front of us. If the next contract cut 100 total DCI aircraft, at the cost of 25 conversions to 76-seaters, and it required, for example, an order of 50 more at mainline, and yielded better ratios(IOW if it continued the pattern of this TA), I would consider it another Scope gain.

I think the next contract will probably be less about Scope gains than economics. If anything, it will be about large-gauge Scope. The only thing that will be important on the small end will to keep the limit at 76-seats, and no geared turbofans.

To Zoomie's point, no new permitted types were added, and this TA doesn't force them to accept upgauged regionals, anymore than USAirways forced us to accept EMB 190's.

 

Frank,

Thank you for sharing your analysis. You say your minimum was 30% of total compensation. But in what time frame is 30% acceptable?
First 20.7%--that is as of 2015.

-2% profit sharing. This may be 0% if Delta doesn’t have a pretax profit.

.1% per diem, you are correct

3.1% sick leave--hopefully you won’t need to use any of it, but even if you did with Delta Pilot’s Mutual Aid (which you pay for every month) and disability you are essentially made whole for a year after sick leave runs out. I would submit that this is not really a pay raise although it is an improvement.

.1% Distance learning and CQ training, you are correct. However I would submit to you that your time is worth the same whether flying an airplane or doing training (as in any other profession). Why should you get 3:45 for a day of CQ while the seat filler sitting next to you gets 5:15?

10% as a function of Avg Daily Guarantee, applying to three trips per month. This could be more than 10% (i.e. the pilots who only fly lax-hawaii). This is actually just a reduction in days required to reach guarantee. Yes, it is an improvement, and long overdue. However, in your case in March, you would not have made more money, just worked less days to reach your monthly hours. This affects some (and probably most) pilots not at all and some a lot. The lax-hawaii pilots will work 3-5 days less to reach guarantee. This is an improvement in work rules and not a raise.

8% reserve pay. The amount of reserve flying has gone up and down throughout my career. Sometimes months reserves fly nothing and sometimes they fly the max. Don’t be fooled, this is not a raise but the ability of the company to fly you more. Calling this a raise is the same as saying flying 150 hours is a 100% raise. This will affect staffing and keep your captain seat out of your reach, which is a real raise.

Scope: The number of 76 seaters is where you should be looking. These seats are your captain seats, not mine. In my view no 76 seaters should be flown by anyone but Delta pilots.

ALPA seems to like comparing us to Southwest. They compare our 2015 pay rates to Southwest 2011 pay rates. What will Southwest’s rates look like in 2015? I don’t know.
I do know Southwest gets 30 hours pay for 7 days vacation. I do know our DC plan is better than theirs. I do know I would have had stock options at Southwest and I do know I would have been a captain at Southwest 12 years earlier. I do not know, but expect you would either be a captain or nearly so at Southwest. My point is when making comparisons, ensure you are comparing apples to apples.

Is this contract an improvement over what we have now? From what I can see the answer is yes with the possible exception of scope.

But the real question for us should be is it better than we can do if we send it back?
Is the company motivated to close a deal? Did Richard really put his absolute best deal on the table seven months early?

I believe we can do better. I believe the company is motivated for reasons we may or may not know. I believe Richard is way too smart to put his best deal on the table this early.

Sending it back may or may not work out for us. I am willing to take that chance. This deal is just not good enough, especially for the ladies and gentlemen that sit in the cockpit to my right.

Put me down as a no.

M

 

OK, I'm a regional pilot and have no real dog in the fight... However, I would one day like to NOT be a regional pilot anymore. So, for the love of god, DO NOT GIVE UP ANY MORE FREAKING SCOPE.

That is all.