Keep in mind, this is what AMR is proposing. Their guys have been working under essentially BK wages for a while now, granted they still have A plans but I really don't think that their company is well managed. They're the only Legacy not to post a profit in the last couple of years and even the soup sandwich that is LCC was profitable.

We keep looking to others to negotiate our contract. We have a great management team, a profitable company and reasons to expect that this team can negotiate the rapids ahead. We can't live in fear, uncertainty and doubt.

I would rather work under the current contract and wait, there are just too many concessions in this contract.

AMR did not go into bankruptcy when the rest of us did. Therefore your claim that they are working under bk wages in incorrect. You can say essentially, if that makes you feel better, but the fact is that the APA swung for the fence with their proposals and they struck out... big time. Their wounds.. are self inflicted. Where I do agree with you is our assertion that AMR has been mismanaged. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would disagree with that premise.

I for one am not looking for anyone to help negotiate our contract because there is no one out there that will trump the TA that is before you.

Will DAL be profitable? I sincerely believe that we will.. That however does not temper my feelings about this TA being a pretty damned good deal (especially for the bottom of the list). The pay is not what I hoped for, but it is in line with what is acceptable. IMHO. Besides, we will be back at the table before any of the others get their first contract.

Vote however you feel comfortable, but I really hope that you realize the current contract is way more onerous than the TA, and there is no end in sight for it. IF you are voting no based on the hope of a quick settlement, I truly believe you are kidding yourself. Look around... management has offered industry leading pay and scope. Why would they return to give more? Labor peace? ROTFLMAO. They win that argument too.

dragon,

I'm not following the bold text. Did you say essentially because they've been in negotiations for 5 years? That's because they asked for 50% raises, and got laughed at. Even with their current wages, they're well above a lot of other carriers. This is AMR's first trip to BK.

This is nothing more than a regurgitation of the NNP. Makes me want to regurgitate!

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Had to ask some AA guys for clarification, but what they confirmed was in 2003 in order to stave off bankruptcy, Mgmt came to the pilots for $600 Million in concessions and it was granted within a month. The wages weren't imposed by the court like DAL, but rather were self inflicted but BK nonetheless - hence the word essentially.

I have a large group of AA guys in the crashpad here in NYC and get most of that angst related stuff from them. They hate so much about their current company, but like the Pension.

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Lots of AA guys in my NYC crashpad too. I know the feeling.

Why? You despise getting paid more for working less hours? Unbelievable! Rational, emotionless, voting is all that is required. If you can't do that, I would gladly accept you abstaining rather than a misguided NO vote.

I see you have 38 posts. Do you work for ALPA?

Perhaps. But to be fair, I've seen lots of anti YES vote first post types pop up lately.