"The 717 deal requires the pilot TA to pass, unmodified, by June 30th. A NO vote will immediately negate the 717 delivery timeline and the deal is off. This is a one-time chance, and this TA is my last, best offer. There will be no further negotiations outside of Section 6."

- Richard Anderson, Wall Street Journal, 06/23/12

I'm sure there wouldn't be the angst about this that there is had there not been the history by DALPA of not enforcing section 1. The RAH holding company loophole was/is a clear violation of the intent of our scope, but DALPA refused to file a grievance. Time limits of JV balancing are extended by a single MEC administrator which allows imbalancing to continue longer than the original language stated.

This stuff happens. I wish it didn't, but it did. It is for this reason many of us are so uncomfortable with more weak language.

Carl

Boomer,

You might want to look at the Bombardier website and see how a First Class equipped CRJ-900/5 might be configured. I know, it's just a ruse...:rolleyes:

You bet! And to start that "sunsetting", we just need to agree to allow 70 more 76 seaters. We must allow the company time to sunset the current group of 76 seat jets as they expire, by allowing new ones.

Can't you just hear the road shows of 2015 now?

Carl

Carl,

If the TA isn't ratified now, the road shows that you mention in 2015 will be for a prolonged section 6 TA that doesn't even come close to making up for what will have been lost in time.

But doesn't UAL have a prohibition against even one jet over 70 seats?

It's a tough call, but I think 70 seat jets will soon be the economic choke-hold to companies that the 50 seat RJ is now. They will likely die on the vine, just a little later than the 50 seaters. What's worse, UAL allowing an unlimited number of dying jets, or DAL allowing 325 modern efficient 90 seat jets (currently configured to 76 seats)?

Carl

I'm on the thing every day and we don't have a lot of room to spare. Where are they going to put an extra row or two of seats? Maybe pull out the galley and bathroom? I'm curious enough to check it out on their website.

THAT is the question. I think everyone agrees the block hour ratios are what this TA's section 1 hinges on. And we have some recent history. It involved the JV's balance ratios. When DAL "allowed" them to get unbalanced against us, there was a time limit for those ratios to rebalance. One single MEC administrator signed the MOU that extended the time limit for rebalance. He essentially moved the goal post for the company. And he did so without a single pilot's vote, or a single reps vote.

Carl

I just don't know what to say other than:


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Carl

Were you working during the DTW road show? I don't remember a 747A at the microphone addressing any concerns.