New flaw in TA scope
#21
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 827
Likes: 10
From: metal tube operator
My questions to our brothers are: Why are we helping the company to shed airplanes that they got in the first place, with the sole intention of replacing our jobs, and now we're supposed to play nice, and assist them to put on the final touch and put the noose on our necks? I guess most of us don't even know we're standing on a 3 pegged chair, and the executioner is just sharpening his axe.
#22
My questions to our brothers are: Why are we helping the company to shed airplanes that they got in the first place, with the sole intention of replacing our jobs, and now we're supposed to play nice, and assist them to put on the final touch and put the noose on our necks? I guess most of us don't even know we're standing on a 3 pegged chair, and the executioner is just sharpening his axe.
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: A330
DAL (the corporation) is providing that life support BTW... and will continue to do so as long as they have leases and no way to reduce them. Vote NO.
The line that CAL/UAL will hold is 40% behind this TA in terms of pay.. and light years behind in terms of scope. It is not a bar to aspire to, it is one to trip over.. Vote NO.
The line that CAL/UAL will hold is 40% behind this TA in terms of pay.. and light years behind in terms of scope. It is not a bar to aspire to, it is one to trip over.. Vote NO.
Our TA Scope is nothing compared to CAL's current scope.
They have 0 CRJ 700s. DCI operates 82
They have 0 CRJ 900s. DCI operates 101
They have 0 E170s. DCI operates 20
They have 0 E175s. DCI operates 52
They have 275 50 seaters. DCI has how many?
Basically we have more total RJs than CAL, we have 255 more LARGE RJs than CAL. Their scope allows ZERO jets over 50 seats. They do however have 30 Q400s running. I would trade for their scope any day.
#24
How's that SLI and JCBA going over there?
#26

SLI is AFTER the JCBA by design. The company wants the SLI done, so that's leverage for us.
Our TA will surpass your pay rates with better scope. Have fun being #4 (behind SWA,FedEx and UPS) for 5 minutes. After that we'll be #4! We rock!
#27
T,
Our TA Scope is nothing compared to CAL's current scope.
They have 0 CRJ 700s. DCI operates 82
They have 0 CRJ 900s. DCI operates 101
They have 0 E170s. DCI operates 20
They have 0 E175s. DCI operates 52
They have 275 50 seaters. DCI has how many?
Basically we have more total RJs than CAL, we have 255 more LARGE RJs than CAL. Their scope allows ZERO jets over 50 seats. They do however have 30 Q400s running. I would trade for their scope any day.
Our TA Scope is nothing compared to CAL's current scope.
They have 0 CRJ 700s. DCI operates 82
They have 0 CRJ 900s. DCI operates 101
They have 0 E170s. DCI operates 20
They have 0 E175s. DCI operates 52
They have 275 50 seaters. DCI has how many?
Basically we have more total RJs than CAL, we have 255 more LARGE RJs than CAL. Their scope allows ZERO jets over 50 seats. They do however have 30 Q400s running. I would trade for their scope any day.
Baja.
#28
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 827
Likes: 10
From: metal tube operator
I hear you brother. I am in the yes column for the record. I know what we will have with a yes vote and all the dangers it implies. Thats my vote my risk. I still don't have any sound arguments about what we will have if we do vote it down, am I looking for specifics about what we will gain. It is for me a lot like Moneyball. A Home run TA would be great but that is not what we have to vote on obviously. How can we maximize gains and move forward. That is what it comes down to for me. Scope is not the way I wanted it to play out. But it is an improvement that is clear. It would be better if all flying was brought in house. But that would have been a home run. Time to start loading the bases. Not what the other teams are doing out there, just look around. Maybe we have to do this different and keep building on all the percentages and getting ahead. Can it be more of everything? Sure. I like it here right now and I like are chances at moving ahead and putting gains in my pocket.
#29
T,
Our TA Scope is nothing compared to CAL's current scope.
They have 0 CRJ 700s. DCI operates 82
They have 0 CRJ 900s. DCI operates 101
They have 0 E170s. DCI operates 20
They have 0 E175s. DCI operates 52
They have 275 50 seaters. DCI has how many?
Basically we have more total RJs than CAL, we have 255 more LARGE RJs than CAL. Their scope allows ZERO jets over 50 seats. They do however have 30 Q400s running. I would trade for their scope any day.
Our TA Scope is nothing compared to CAL's current scope.
They have 0 CRJ 700s. DCI operates 82
They have 0 CRJ 900s. DCI operates 101
They have 0 E170s. DCI operates 20
They have 0 E175s. DCI operates 52
They have 275 50 seaters. DCI has how many?
Basically we have more total RJs than CAL, we have 255 more LARGE RJs than CAL. Their scope allows ZERO jets over 50 seats. They do however have 30 Q400s running. I would trade for their scope any day.
Nice shooting, rahc.
#30
Who says that DALPA won't tighten then "450" noose again in 2015? You know it would be easier to sunset some 70-76's once 2:1 50 swaps are done and the "obligated" big RJ contracts are nearing the end....
I'll take a double, a single, a double, and another double instead of a home run with thre strikeouts any day of the week!
I'll take a double, a single, a double, and another double instead of a home run with thre strikeouts any day of the week!
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post





