No to yes, what would it take?
05-31-2012, 04:15 AM
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No to yes, what would it take?
Simple question for the confirmed no voters. What has to be improved in this TA to get you to vote yes?
I am on the fence on my vote, depending on time of day, temperature, and humidity my mood swings from hell no to less then an emphatic yes. For me I think we made some good not great gains.
Pay: I would have liked another percent in DC on DOS and 15 percent raise on DOS with 4% per year after.
Scope: I am not a fan of more big RJs but the block hours ratio is a step in the right direction. I talked to reps that voted no on the TA and scope was not the no vote issue.
Other items: Avg daily credit I was hoping for 5 plus, vacation I was looking for 4, and training pay I would have like dot have seen worth 5 as well.
So the question is what would it take to change a no to a yes? And how do we get there from here?
I am on the fence on my vote, depending on time of day, temperature, and humidity my mood swings from hell no to less then an emphatic yes. For me I think we made some good not great gains.
Pay: I would have liked another percent in DC on DOS and 15 percent raise on DOS with 4% per year after.
Scope: I am not a fan of more big RJs but the block hours ratio is a step in the right direction. I talked to reps that voted no on the TA and scope was not the no vote issue.
Other items: Avg daily credit I was hoping for 5 plus, vacation I was looking for 4, and training pay I would have like dot have seen worth 5 as well.
So the question is what would it take to change a no to a yes? And how do we get there from here?
05-31-2012, 04:22 AM
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255 jumbo RJ hard cap remains a 255 jumbo RJ hard cap.
Then I'll look at the rest.
Then I'll look at the rest.
05-31-2012, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
255 jumbo RJ hard cap remains a 255 jumbo RJ hard cap.
Then I'll look at the rest.
Then I'll look at the rest.
05-31-2012, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
255 jumbo RJ hard cap remains a 255 jumbo RJ hard cap.
Then I'll look at the rest.
Then I'll look at the rest.
05-31-2012, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
Simple question for the confirmed no voters. What has to be improved in this TA to get you to vote yes?
I am on the fence on my vote, depending on time of day, temperature, and humidity my mood swings from hell no to less then an emphatic yes. For me I think we made some good not great gains.
Pay: I would have liked another percent in DC on DOS and 15 percent raise on DOS with 4% per year after.
Scope: I am not a fan of more big RJs but the block hours ratio is a step in the right direction. I talked to reps that voted no on the TA and scope was not the no vote issue.
Other items: Avg daily credit I was hoping for 5 plus, vacation I was looking for 4, and training pay I would have like dot have seen worth 5 as well.
So the question is what would it take to change a no to a yes? And how do we get there from here?
I am on the fence on my vote, depending on time of day, temperature, and humidity my mood swings from hell no to less then an emphatic yes. For me I think we made some good not great gains.
Pay: I would have liked another percent in DC on DOS and 15 percent raise on DOS with 4% per year after.
Scope: I am not a fan of more big RJs but the block hours ratio is a step in the right direction. I talked to reps that voted no on the TA and scope was not the no vote issue.
Other items: Avg daily credit I was hoping for 5 plus, vacation I was looking for 4, and training pay I would have like dot have seen worth 5 as well.
So the question is what would it take to change a no to a yes? And how do we get there from here?
05-31-2012, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Agree, and 5/10/5/5. Then I'll look at the rest.
05-31-2012, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
255 jumbo RJ hard cap remains a 255 jumbo RJ hard cap.
Then I'll look at the rest.
Then I'll look at the rest.
Everything else is negotiable. Scope stands alone.
Nu
05-31-2012, 05:49 AM
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I will vote yes for a PWA with:
1. No concessions, and
2. Gains throughout the agreement.
We won't see this any time soon.
1. No concessions, and
2. Gains throughout the agreement.
We won't see this any time soon.
05-31-2012, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by get there itis
I will vote yes for a PWA with:
1. No concessions, and
2. Gains throughout the agreement.
We won't see this any time soon.
1. No concessions, and
2. Gains throughout the agreement.
We won't see this any time soon.
05-31-2012, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
The NMB will laugh in your face. They want to compare us to AA/UA/US. How have they done? If you don't think this is true, just call up a rep and ask them.
I drew a line in the sand on what the minimum will be for me to vote yes. Not your call, it's mine.
