What Happens If The TA Is Rejected?
06-04-2012, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
SO how would the company/DALPA negotiator's know what is important to the pilot group without asking?
My guess had they stuck closer to the survey, we wouldn't be having this argument.
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06-04-2012, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
But you are apparently willing to live with 102 more that we will likely see under the current agreement.
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06-04-2012, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What if there were some gains made that exceeded the survey?
06-04-2012, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Show your math on this one.
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06-04-2012, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
Great post, T. We might get something better if we turn this down; it's not going to be a fast process, though.
06-04-2012, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Pretty simple. Try to keep those. If this is actually a cost neutral T/A with a projected $2B DAL profit, $83/barrel oil, and a 717 deal from which DAL, Boeing & SWA won't readily walk away I think there is plenty of room for improvement.
06-04-2012, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Apparently DALPA does know, but according to Councils 1, 20 and 54, the NC chose to ignore it.
My guess had they stuck closer to the survey, we wouldn't be having this argument.
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My guess had they stuck closer to the survey, we wouldn't be having this argument.
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Full or empty, your choice. I choose full.
06-04-2012, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Page 1-6 in the TA compared to NOT having that protection. You have to read it for yourself. I am not gonna spoon feed it to you.
Permitted 70 seaters 102
Permitted 76 seaters 153
Total 255 cap, no matter what. Even if they convert all the 70 seaters to 76, they get a max of 255.
TA:
Permitted 70 seaters 102
Permitted 76 seaters 223
Total 325. No flex down...they are able to keep them no matter what happens to the mainline fleet.
325 > 255. Two whole Compasses.
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06-04-2012, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
So, you're willing to possibly throw away about 20% pay increase over 3 years, and other improvements to a "guess?" You are guessing that the company will re-engage, right?
Imagine if the NC would have come back with half of what they got. You can bet we'd still hear those who would support it saying, "If we don't accept it we don't know how long it will take to get another agreement, and it probably won't be worth it."
06-04-2012, 08:22 AM
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I am just hoping that United/Continental come out with a TA before our vote closes so our guys can just be plain embarrassed and VOTE NO. At least their union isn't serving up a half assed TA and trying to shove it down their throats.
Most likely, UCAL mgmt will stall until the results from our TA are known. There is a reason Smisek mentioned our scope allowances in a letter to the employees.
Most likely, UCAL mgmt will stall until the results from our TA are known. There is a reason Smisek mentioned our scope allowances in a letter to the employees.
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