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forgot to bid 07-11-2012 08:30 AM
Bill, what's the max allowed weight of a DCI 76 seater per the PWA?

There is language in the TA allowing Skywest to operate an aircraft in a non DCI operation that is larger than what is allowed for DCI. Just look at those limits in section 1 and look at the MRJ specs and you can figure out which variant they are allowed to operate in a non DCI operation that is larger than 76 seats.

Bill Lumberg 07-11-2012 08:31 AM
Originally Posted by What (Post 1227876)
You might want to recheck how the CRJ 900's and E-175 are operated for US Aiways, my understating is that these airplanes are operated at 79 and 80 seats respectively!
Hi, I understand that. They have more seats. But not for Delta. 76 is the limit, and there is a limit for the number of those planes too.

Bill Lumberg 07-11-2012 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 1227878)
Amazing how that was announced within mere days after you guys voted that contract in :eek: God, we're so gullible. :rolleyes:
Really? Talk about gullible. It's called the Farnburough Air Show. That is when airlines are courted by manufacturers. That is when airlines make announcements, along with the Paris Airshow. Do you think that was all coordinated? Wow.

Bill Lumberg 07-11-2012 08:36 AM
Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1227885)
Bill, what's the max allowed weight of a DCI 76 seater per the PWA?

There is language in the TA allowing Skywest to operate an aircraft in a non DCI operation that is larger than what is allowed for DCI. Just look at those limits in section 1 and look at the MRJ specs and you can figure out which variant they are allowed to operate in a non DCI operation that is larger than 76 seats.
I don't think they will be allowed to fly the larger version, and certainly not for DL as feed or a code share.

forgot to bid 07-11-2012 08:37 AM
Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 1227862)
In Delta's new TA, is there a weight restriction in addition to the seat restriction for DCI?
There is.

It's making me curious about Bill's airline of origin though. After all of this time his screaming that we need to pass this TA and I'm wondering if he ever was a Delta pilot.

Bill Lumberg 07-11-2012 08:42 AM
Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1227894)
There is.

It's making me curious about Bill's airline of origin though. After all of this time his screaming that we need to pass this TA and I'm wondering if he ever was a Delta pilot.
Hahahha. I don't have the contract on me like you do. I thought there was only one loophole for Frontier and the Republic clause. If they keep the MRJs at the smaller end, then I guess it's ok, and they'll use them at UA or AA.

Thanks for keeping the contract on your person all the time. Enjoy the raise and 717s, I will.

tim123 07-11-2012 08:49 AM
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1227850)
Can they still be a DCI operator with 100 MRJs and the newer scope clause? Apparently they are thinking of ordering 100 Mitsubishi RJs for delivery between 2017 and 2020.

I see here that plane sits 70-90, so up to 76 seats would be allowed up to the limit of 223 total.
If they can't operate them,we can be sure ALPA will change the pwa to let them.

shiznit 07-11-2012 09:04 AM
Originally Posted by tim123 (Post 1227910)
If they can't operate them,we can be sure ALPA will change the pwa to let them.
It won't be for DAL! The MEC would not vote to allow it out of a meeting and it would fail a MEMRAT anyway.

What is the quid we could secure if the company were to desire a change that allowed SKYW to fly it elsewhere (AMR/LCC/UCAL)?
More money?
Reducing the DCI limit by a number of airframes again?
Upping the MBH ratios?
Improving vac/trng credit again?
Moving res max to ALV 7.5?
ADG to 5:00?
We still have a list of wants, you never know when you can make some gains.

Lots of options out there where we can gain without really losing anything.

Merely holding the line and forcing the elimination of SKYW wouldn't reduce the RJ flying, DAL would merely ensure the flying was placed at another(undercutting) DCI.

80ktsClamp 07-11-2012 09:17 AM
Skywest cannot take delivery of these airplanes under the recently ratified TA. Not without us giving up scope...

shiznit 07-11-2012 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1227930)
Skywest cannot take delivery of these airplanes under the recently ratified TA. Not without us giving up scope...
I agree. But it's only "giving up scope" if we get nothing in return. It's selling otherwise.;):D


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