I don't think it matters. I thought there was one loophole, the Republic loophole that allowed planes to be flown at another airline over the MTOW or 76 seats, that being Frontier. I thought the new contract didn't allow other feeders to have larger planes or it risked their feed contracts. FtB still probably thinks I work for Air Grand Canyon, but in reality I don't carry the contract on me, so I come here to ask smarty pants guys like him.

What's interesting about this is that if Skywest is about to receive a bunch of aircraft to replace its 50 seaters for Delta, why are they buying replacement aircraft for a jet that is only going to be 2 years old?

It has to be a good deal overall, one that actually helps mainline. People will disagree with this new contract and the scope, but overall it reduced the numbers of total RJs and put limits (caps) and ratios to favor mainline. That is why this one passed. The next offer would have to do the same, but this last one didn't add any extra seats to the 76 seat limit. The company supposedly wanted that, and of course it didn't happen. Money didn't buy additional seats on any RJ.

Huh? Eventually there will be 70 additional 76 seaters allowed as 717s arrive. They could be divided into planes for Skywest, Gojets, etc.

When we send the message that we are willing to renegotiate any line in the PWA once it affects the business plan; yes.

We going to decide to defend the limits we have and work towards a comprehensive plan to change the vector our profession is going, or is more ofnthe same the acceptable course?

Bill pilots like you are the ones that need to make a firm commitment one way or another?

What will it be next time? 773's or 789's for these and the C series because Dal cannot possibly hire that many pilots in five years?

2017 looks to be about the right time for a new agreement with a mid term change with a merger. 2017 is when the retirements really kick in. 2016-17 is we're the real debate will happen since we kicked the can down the field. Notice this happened 12 days after our TA passed.

What's it going to be folks? We going to be lobsters in a pot on the stove taking a nice bath or are we going to be proactive and aggressively swim away from that trap?

The Company REALLY wanted 88 seats, and asked all the way up to the last negotiating session. They backed down to 82, then to 79.... DALPA said no.

(Well actually DALPA said yes they could put 82 seats in the "76 seaters'", but the only condition was that Delta Pilots fly them!! ......The Company wasn't as interested in that.:rolleyes:)

Tops ones are above the weight limit. That applies.

Think or does our PWA prohibit it?

No. Small domestic narrowbody swaps for smaller domestic narrowbody is one thing, international birds are not a comparator.

That is when Farnborough Air Show takes place..... Black helicopert.

Shiz, succinctly it's moving a scope limit when it effects the operation. Moreover they made this official after knowing ournpwa limits. Sunds like the bombardier order in 2000-2001 that they "knew" was beyond our scope. Guess what? The scope changed right before the deliveries arrived.

We as a group need to decide if trading scope for other PWA gains is the best method of doing business? If so, carry on.