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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1228232)

Well in all fairness, there is nothing in the contract that said we WILL get them. It DOES say that in order to do the RJ deal they must get them and put them into service.. but they could have tanked the whole deal and run with the RJ fleet in the current configuration. It wouldn't make any sense.. but they could have done that..

If they didn't get the 717s, they wouldn't get the 70 76 seaters, and then they would have just had to park 200 plus 50 seaters to bring them down to 125 total. It seemed obvious that they would have to get small narrowbodies to get what they wanted, 76 seaters and fewer 50 seaters.

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1228240)

I see two possible scenarios to this announcement:

The "Black Helicopter" scenario - SKW has a plan and knows where these aircraft will be going, despite the fact that United/Continental scope and the entire AA operation are unknowns... which leaves Delta or branded as the only other options. i.e.: This is all coordinated.

or...

The "Unicorns and Rainbows" scenario - Wade Steel (SKW Finance) just gave Mike Thompson (SKW Marketing) a check for two billion dollars and told him to fly over to Farnborough and do some shopping. Try to get a good deal on a bunch of aircraft that we don't have any plans for. Maybe go poke around that Mitsubishi booth and see if you can get some free tote bags, but don't buy any timeshares or a hundred airplanes unless it looks like a great deal spur-of-the-moment. We'll sort out the details when you get back. i.e.: This is entirely uncoordinated.

the best humor has an element of truth. sadly. :D

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1227858)

...If they go over 76 seats, I don't think that sits well with our clause...

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1227893)

I don't think they will be allowed to fly the larger version, and certainly not for DL as feed or a code share.

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1227903)

Hahahha. I don't have the contract on me like you do. I thought there was only one loophole for Frontier and the Republic clause. If they keep the MRJs at the smaller end, then I guess it's ok, and they'll use them at UA or AA.

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1228045)

I don't think it matters. I thought there was one loophole, the Republic loophole that allowed planes to be flown at another airline over the MTOW or 76 seats, that being Frontier. I thought the new contract didn't allow other feeders to have larger planes or it risked their feed contracts. FtB still probably thinks I work for Air Grand Canyon, but in reality I don't carry the contract on me, so I come here to ask smarty pants guys like him.

Please, please... please!!! tell me that the biggest SCOPE proponent on APC knows his new contract's SCOPE rules better than this.

I would hope that the guys who spent a month arguing how airtight the TA's "permitted aircraft" language is, would remember what that language permitted 11 days later.

Bill, sorry if I'm misreading the inflection, tone, and emotion of your posts.

Alright, so according to Wikipedia Skywest has 20 CR7s and 21 CR9s and ExpressJet (ASA) has 46 CR7s and 10 CR9s. Or 97 CR7s/CR9s.

They said this MRJ order was 100 replacement jets and so that works out if the MRJ-70STD can be a decent 70 seater and the MRJ-70ER is a good 76-seater.

But here's a thought, operate MRJs for DCI and then operate MRJ-90s for your own branded operation without any limitation other than city pair routings. Gives you options and allows you to diversify income possibilities and be in position to pounce on a good opportunity.

Like buying Delta. :D

Seriously, isn't outsourcing big jets brilliant on our part! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1228266)

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1228255)

No, I think SKW management told DL to give us a deal early so they could get some MRJs. They TOLD them to do it.

If Anderson is so brilliant, I would suggest that the notion...

Delta and SKW were making deals in room 1, while
Delta and Bombardier were dealing in room 2, while
SKW and Mitsubishi were dealing in room 3,
and all the while Delta and DALPA were negotiating in room 4...

is not entirely unfeasible.

What is unlikely, in my opinion, is that SkyWest placing a huge order for jumbo RJs has nothing to do with Delta's TA passage 11 days ago.

Delta and Southwest were in room 5,
Delta and Boeing were in room 6,
Southwest was sharpening knives in front of FL ALPA under the stairwell,
Ray LaHood was in room 7 steaming mad about Delta's refusal to buy him off... I mean contribute.

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1228266)

Sorry, but I am not management or ALPA, so stating it like that shows that it is my opinion. As far as specifics in the contract, I know basically what it says, but leave the specifics to guys like ACL.

And maybe I am reading your emotion a little bit too much, but it seems like you are getting "emotional.". Remember, this is just business.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1228288)

Delta and Southwest were in room 5,
Delta and Boeing were in room 6,
Southwest was sharpening knives in front of FL ALPA under the stairwell,
Ray LaHood was in room 7 steaming mad about Delta's refusal to buy him off... I mean contribute.

Jerry Sandusky wonders if his next shanking will be meat, wood, or steel in shower room 8.
Timmay Martins pencilwhips his logbook to show 1004 TPIC (because 1000 looks suspicious) and photoshops a 737 Type and ATP onto his Commercial license in room 9.

Wasn't it Tim who flew B-2s in the USMC Reserves while serving as the best sniper on the side when they needed someone with the golden gun touch, right?