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Old 07-16-2012, 11:26 AM
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That seniority fight has distracted you guys so much and let you get so far behind that as of Jan 1, as a 6 year A-320 FO, I'll be making a dollar more an hour than a topped out A-320 captain at US.
The east doesn't care, they are perfectly content.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
That seniority fight has distracted you guys so much and let you get so far behind that as of Jan 1, as a 6 year A-320 FO, I'll be making a dollar more an hour than a topped out A-320 captain at US.
There are times when things get out of whack. This is one of those times. No one wanted to compromise, and we are where we are. Was the fight worth it? We will see soon enough. If the merger goes through, those pay rates are out the window and the seniority battle will be out the window too. I doubt you'll be able to make much of a comparison then. But hey....enjoy your 6 year A320 position. One day someone else may be looking down at you saying....why'd you give up that scope? You're still an A320 F/O?
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:42 AM
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The east doesn't care, they are perfectly content.

That's the first thing you've been right about in a long time.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:48 AM
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There are times when things get out of whack. This is one of those times. No one wanted to compromise, and we are where we are. Was the fight worth it? We will see soon enough. If the merger goes through, those pay rates are out the window and the seniority battle will be out the window too. I doubt you'll be able to make much of a comparison then. But hey....enjoy your 6 year A320 position. One day someone else may be looking down at you saying....why'd you give up that scope? You're still an A320 F/O?
I voted no for that very reason- although it does significantly reduce the size of DCI.

Speaking of giving up scope, how about the massive amount of jumbo RJs that the agreement with AA allows? I guess you missed that bullet point.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:52 AM
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I voted no for that very reason- although it does significantly reduce the size of DCI.

Speaking of giving up scope, how about the massive amount of jumbo RJs that the agreement with AA allows? I guess you missed that bullet point.
I didn't miss it. It's just not as bad as what you just gave up, and in fact....hasn't been given up yet. Negotiations are ongoing since you just signed that peach of an agreement.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:38 PM
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There are times when things get out of whack. This is one of those times. No one wanted to compromise, and we are where we are. Was the fight worth it? We will see soon enough. If the merger goes through, those pay rates are out the window and the seniority battle will be out the window too.
It sure will be nice watching the west fo's upgrading into line holding positions, doesn't repay all we have lost but it will be nice watching the east scum stAgnate at the bottom for a few years.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:55 PM
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I didn't miss it. It's just not as bad as what you just gave up, and in fact....hasn't been given up yet. Negotiations are ongoing since you just signed that peach of an agreement.


Not as bad as what you (DL) "gave" up? I saw what AA/US scope sale, it is jaw dropping.

Delta's agreement isn't the worlds best but you have some B@lls judging DL when your rates are in to absolute toilet.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:56 PM
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It sure will be nice watching the west fo's upgrading into line holding positions, doesn't repay all we have lost but it will be nice watching the east scum stAgnate at the bottom for a few years.
Good luck with your fantasy. 7 Widebody capt vacancies, 19 Narrowbody capt vacancies, and 26 E190 capt vacancies on the November bid along with 50 new hires. 200 to 300 new hires on the East over the next year in addition to the 200 that have been hired since the merger. 200 + new hires per year after that to cover the attrition. Doesn't look like you'll be pinning anyone to the bottom. Your time for vengeance is passing you by. I don't think you'll be getting repaid anything.
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Not as bad as what you (DL) "gave" up? I saw what AA/US scope sale, it is jaw dropping.

Delta's agreement isn't the worlds best but you have some B@lls judging DL when your rates are in to absolute toilet.
We haven't signed anything. Have you? Pretty sure it's always been DL that has lead the way on scope. I just find it amazing that you guys wanna thump your chest over the pay rates and just completely forget the scope you just gave up.

Payrates can change......Scope is hard to recapture.

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Old 07-16-2012, 01:06 PM
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Not as bad as what you (DL) "gave" up? I saw what AA/US scope sale, it is jaw dropping.

Delta's agreement isn't the worlds best but you have some B@lls judging DL when your rates are in to absolute toilet.
He's an eastie, they can't help it.
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