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Originally Posted by AutoEverything
(Post 1309376)
There is no benefit to JB pilots in merging with another small, young pilot group like VA, Spirit, etc. In an ideal world, we'd merge with a giant legacy with tons of retirements who would view us as a solution to the upcoming scarcity of pilots qualified to fill their seats. They'd keep us employed because we as a pilot group would be as much a selling point as the routes and terminals. We fly around with nearly a 90% load factor and opening a new route means shutting down an existing route due to lack of airframes. We're lean enough to survive a merger with a legacy, let's not screw it up by merging with an equal and all stagnating at the same seniority level for the next 20+ years.
That being said, I'm speaking of an absolutely ideal world. In a more realistic world, myself and other younger FOs get hired at a legacy and just put JB in our rear view mirror rather than taking the risk of wasting our young age on a sloowwwwwwly growing carrier with very little attrition. This. |
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Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 1309597)
I support an in house union. I will not vote yes for ALPA.
You'd rather have an underfunded organization with no infrastructure go up against a management team that is hostile to unions of all kinds to fight for a contract for you? You'd rather spend years spinning your wheels, fighting the good fight for a contract, getting outspent 10 to 1 at every turn before you finally realize that it's not going to work and you choose to affiliate yourself with a national union? Interesting choice. The goal here is to get a CBA. The fastest route to that is with a national union that has funding, resources and experience. Why reinvent the wheel? Get a CBA as quickly as possible, and then take stock of the service you're getting from a national union that has helped you do so and if appropriate, run a drive to start your in house then, after you've established a proper CBA. The national organization just lends resources, I don't care if it's ALPA, Teamsters, NFLPA or the Seamstress Union, we just need a CBA as soon as possible and an upstart in house union is a poor way to go about it. Why would you want to waste time that could be spent negotiating a contract on housekeeping items like fundraising, and hiring attorneys and SMEs while spending money out of your tiny little starter war chest to counter the union-busting campaign that your multi billion dollar company and their consultant groups like Ford and Harrison and MWW are running against you to keep membership and unity low. |
Originally Posted by sidestep
(Post 1309620)
+1
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Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 1309597)
I support an in house union. I will not vote yes for ALPA.
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Future of Jetblue?
Doesn't matter. I come from an ALPA carrier, and I went to the national conventions. I came here precisely because JetBlue isn't ALPA. I'll not vote to rejoin that organization. If it gets voted in, fine, but I don't have to assist.
It isn't personal against you. We all get to vote how we choose. You guys are very vocal, so I just let you all know that there are opposing feelings out there. |
Southerner,
I respect that, however, sign a card, get to the vote and please just dont vote NO. Write in who you would like. Fair enough? Whiskey |
Future of Jetblue?
That's fair. I'm not opposed to a CBA. I want the merger protections in particular.
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Southerner.
Thanks!! See, we can all get along. :) CBA, yes indeed we need one. Merger protections included. I'll take the yes vote ANYDAY. Voting no immediately slams the door closed on any chance of that. Now, when the final yes votes are tallied, the majority decides where we go. As long as it isn't the DR, I'm a happy guy. To all: There are a lot of hot heads out there, a lot of cool people too. The prior advice goes to anyone out there who isn't particular for ALPA. Please don't just vote NO. The ballot may say ALPA, but there is a write in spot for a union of your choosing. Exercise this, don't just bend over and allow the DR to take advantage of you. I know for a fact there are a lot of Pro in house guys, you don't know where this will lead. Although I believe we need the assistance of ALPA with their finances and expertise to fight the JB machine, I completely respect your choice in not wanting ALPA. Please, please and for the love of GOD PPPLEEAAASSEEE, just don't mark NO when the time comes, write a group in. Otherwise we have NO chance at a CBA. That is all. Southerner, welcome aboard and thanks again. |
Originally Posted by whiskey72
(Post 1309701)
Southerner.
Thanks!! See, we can all get along. :) CBA, yes indeed we need one. Merger protections included. I'll take the yes vote ANYDAY. Voting no immediately slams the door closed on any chance of that. Now, when the final yes votes are tallied, the majority decides where we go. As long as it isn't the DR, I'm a happy guy. To all: There are a lot of hot heads out there, a lot of cool people too. The prior advice goes to anyone out there who isn't particular for ALPA. Please don't just vote NO. The ballot may say ALPA, but there is a write in spot for a union of your choosing. Exercise this, don't just bend over and allow the DR to take advantage of you. I know for a fact there are a lot of Pro in house guys, you don't know where this will lead. Although I believe we need the assistance of ALPA with their finances and expertise to fight the JB machine, I completely respect your choice in not wanting ALPA. Please, please and for the love of GOD PPPLEEAAASSEEE, just don't mark NO when the time comes, write a group in. Otherwise we have NO chance at a CBA. That is all. Southerner, welcome aboard and thanks again. Amen brother! |
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