Yes, but that doesn't mean they were Socialists. Communism and Socialism aren't the same thing. The real name of the Nazi party was the National Socialist party, but they were hardcore fascists.

Socialism can actually co-exist with different governments. Portions of the EU show this. While not entirely socialist, socialist elements improve the QoL. Health care, public transportation, roads, schools, etc. All elements of socialism. People that get up in arms over universal health care have no problems driving on public roads or sending their kids to public schools.

Now, about that whole AA/jetBlue thing.....

Fascism and Socialism, a distinction without a difference. It was Mussolini who started the fascist movement in Italy and he was a communist who corresponded regularly with Lenin. He only started the fascist party when he decided the international communist movement really meant control of Italy by Moscow and decided to go his own way. The nazis incorporated socialist principles in their platform. They only stopped further leftward drift when they purged Roehm and the SA leadership in a deal to gain support of the Army for Hitler's bid for chancellor.

Theses aren't FALSE choices, they're FAILED choices.

1. When you use tax revenues gained from the populace to attempt to artificially affect the economy you are, in essence, using a trickle up economics.

2. Communism and socialism both advocate the spreading of wealth from those who have it to those who don't. In that sense, they are very similar.

And other portions of the EU (Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, etc) are functionally bankrupt because they borrowed to finance all those wonderful aspects of socialism - early retirement, single payer care, short work weeks, lots of vacation. We have only seen the tip of the ice berg with respect to the costs of socialism and they are the reasons a lot of us don't want it here. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are also already functionally bankrupt and it's just a question of how quickly we decide to come to terms with it (pay the bills). JMHO and YMMMV.

We haven't been practicing anything even remotely close to capitalism either. Crony corporatism maybe. Just look at all the banker bailouts, and yes way more will be "needed" (given regardless) in the future. Look at the revolving door between the biggest beneficiaries and the money printers. What's Mousilini's definition of Fascism again? And contrary to the activists in academia, fascism and communism are both hard core left wing.
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Try not to think in terms of communism/socialism/fascism/corporatism/etc... They were all totalitarian to some extent. Many differences came down to economic questions. They are ALL bad.

Remember to think slavery on one side, liberty on the other. Which one do you want?

That is the purpose of GOOD government, protect your freedoms, not plan your life and ensure your happiness.

Government is like fire....

Really? For Pete's sake. Socialism is a FAILED MODEL. Did you ever here of rationing under Socialized Medicine? Sure, under that crap model every citizen has coverage, but that doesn't necessarily mean you will get the requisite treatment.

Are people really that foolish and naive? Go pick up a textbook on basic economics 101 and go educate yourself. And for heavens sake stop sniffing the glue.

SOCIALISM: EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Oh Goodie, everybody has the same! Yippie

I went back to pull out this thread to let the discussion continue. Let's keep this thread for the sky is falling-blue juicer discussion and the poolies thread for just that - JetBlue poolies.

Concur. Don't think the sky is falling but each successive communiquè from flight ops "leadership" is a bit more disheartening than the last.

For example?