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Old UCAL CA 07-15-2012 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by jacjetlag (Post 1229693)
Bottom line...

You fly airplanes owned by other people. They will determine what color the airplanes are and what they will do with the money. If it gets bad enough, you'll go somewhere else, IF that is better. In the meantime, live below your means and fund your own retirement. As in almost all other jobs, lifetime employment is over. It was always sketchy at best in the airline business...most guys have had 3 different uniforms in their closets.

Plan accordingly.

Smart man.

Old UCAL CA 07-15-2012 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1229781)
Golly Gee thanks for the lesson dad. Now go take a running you know what at yourself.

I could probably be your grandfather...but he's right.

Old UCAL CA 07-15-2012 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by MayDaze (Post 1230082)
I don't agree. Pilot groups should not be passive.

They aren't passive. But there's not a d##n thing they can do about it with an oversupply of pilot labor in a globally competitive, domestically deregulated business.

Heed his advice...hope for the best, plan for the worst and live within your means.

gloopy 07-15-2012 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1230092)
They aren't passive. But there's not a d##n thing they can do about it with an oversupply of pilot labor in a globally competitive, domestically deregulated business.

Heed his advice...hope for the best, plan for the worst and live within your means.

So few people do that though. We have collectively learned nothing from all our industry has ben though over the generations and even recently. We as a society define "affordable" as how much can we get on credit. That makes us weak and makes us our own worst enemies and puts management in charge big time. If you can't "afford" to walk away, you weaken your position significantly and will end up with much less.

Worker bees running up their "monthly nut" so they can't afford to lose the job has been one of the most powerful weapons in management's arsenal ever. With very few exceptions, if you can't (or won't) pay cash for it, you can't afford it. Period.

HotMamaPilot 07-15-2012 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1230119)
So few people do that though. We have collectively learned nothing from all our industry has ben though over the generations and even recently. We as a society define "affordable" as how much can we get on credit. That makes us weak and makes us our own worst enemies and puts management in charge big time. If you can't "afford" to walk away, you weaken your position significantly and will end up with much less.

Worker bees running up their "monthly nut" so they can't afford to lose the job has been one of the most powerful weapons in management's arsenal ever. With very few exceptions, if you can't (or won't) pay cash for it, you can't afford it. Period.

Words of wisdom. This industry(and country)would be in much better shape if people would take heed of your words.....

jacjetlag 07-15-2012 05:48 PM

"I don't agree. Pilot groups should not be passive."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Alas, the majority of pilots are somewhat passive. And pilot groups tend to throw each other under the bus. We have been out-maneuvered by management, the courts and the NMB. I wish activist pilots would change all of this.

benzoate 07-16-2012 04:59 AM

Activist pilots at JetBlue were silenced by 1193 pilots willing to accept substandard pay, benefits, retirement, insurance, disability and the most important important contractual provision, merger protection.
Section 15 represents a gaping hole which allows the acquiring airline to operate the airlines independently, transfer assets from one to another while allowing each individual PEA to expire.

Unions and CBA's are necessary evils.

jacjetlag 07-16-2012 02:47 PM

McCaskill/Bond might help you when it happens.

javaguy141 07-16-2012 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by jacjetlag (Post 1230796)
McCaskill/Bond might help you when it happens.

You're joking----right?

quimby 07-16-2012 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by jacjetlag (Post 1229693)
bottom line...

You fly airplanes owned by other people. They will determine what color the airplanes are and what they will do with the money. If it gets bad enough, you'll go somewhere else, if that is better. In the meantime, live below your means and fund your own retirement. As in almost all other jobs, lifetime employment is over. It was always sketchy at best in the airline business...most guys have had 3 different uniforms in their closets.

Plan accordingly.

+1

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